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I have been doing as much reading about S. Brazilian Amarali as I can get a hold of, today I read some statements made on a well known overseas web site that states "Americans " are incorrect about how we classify our Brazilian Amarali. This person implies that what we refer to as Brazilian Amarali are actually Boa c.c. He even mentions proof by way of scale counts but does not offer any numbers just the names of American herpetologist who have researched this matter. Does anyone have any knowledge of this debate?
Thank you in advance
Joel

I do but, the answer would not be popular over here especially with others who have them. I also have more than 30 of the Brazilian Boas of which you speak.
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It would be truely exciting to have that many. I am very interested in figuring this out. Could you PM , call, or post? Just courious, are you one of the American breeders he recomends on his site?

I understand that this may be a touchy subject, I am trying to track down facts and form an opinion.
Thanks to all
Joel

I am confused. Why wouldn't your answer be liked by folks here. After all if they came from the bllodline you stated then they would be true Amerali? Im a slow learner, help me on this one.

Basically, scale count says they are BCC
is my take on this.I'm not the person
who has done the counting though.That would
make for an extremely unpopular answer.Just
reading between the lines.
Lar M
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Boas By Klevitz

I've read that same info on that same website.In some cases I believe they are skewed in their research.I don't know how one could get scale count wrong though.A very unpopular stance to take here in USA,I'm sure.Lar M
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There are Amarali "look-a-likes" within Brazilian BCC. There are some lines of Brazilian Amarali that have had BCC bred into them in the past when there weren't other Amarali to breed.

There are also true South Brazilian Amarali. Barry Miller works with a few great lines, and I know Dennis Sargent has a nice line as well. Both breeders have done scale counts and traced locality.
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Ask Dennis Sargent what subspecies all of his Brazilian "amarali" are. I've talked with Dennis about it and he and I agree on what subspecies we know they are.
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All Brazilians of the type called "amarali", originated with Lloyd Lemke. I am 95% sure Kerry King, a fellow Boa nut case back in the 80's and 90's, acquired his animals from Lloyd. Tim Belknap acquired his animals from Lloyd and from Kerry King offspring. Lloyd Lemke, now deceased, acquired a group of them in the 1980's. He bred these and on occasion, had babies for which Boa people were rabid to get our hands on at that time.

My original Brazilians came from Lloyd. The parents of my breeders were produced by Lloyd somewhere between 1990 or 1992. I acquired them from Jim Pomaville who had gotten them directly from Lloyd as babies. I tried to breed them without success for several years when I sold them to Robert Flannery in 1998 or 1999. Robert had a great litter born literally about six months after I sold them to him. I acquired most of that litter from Robert which I sold for him, keeping as many as I could afford. They were really high priced at the time. I have 4.2 from that litter. I guess I should not say exactly who bought those Brazilians from me, but a number of those animals have reproduced successfully. I acquired 2.2 more from Robert Flannery the following year as did others who have bred them as I have.

I absolutely love the Brazilians but have not posted any of the two litters I have produced for sale yet. I am hoping for one good litter this year too. I just hope I get a few more females than male for a change...

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Thanks Jeff,
I would love to see the Brazilians you have, the animal in the post is very nice. Thank you for the information
Joel

Brazilian female ovulating January 19, 2008:

Brazilian born in 2006:

Another one:

Babies in the goo:

I love these things:

Last one:

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Wow Jeff those are awesome thanks for the pictures and all your information, you are an incredible resource for those of us with lots of questions.
Joel

Yes he does. Would like to thank jeff for the pictures and Chris for the Info as well. Just trying to figure out whats what. I love the one I got off of Barry.

Thanks Chris. I couldn't understand why that statment was made. But then again, I never considerd look alikes. Very confident that Barry knows what he has.

I am not aware of any bloodlines in the United States that did not descend from those animals brought in through Lloyd Lemke in the 80's. I believe they all came from that one group. Also, Dennis Sargent and I both agree on what subspecies they are. Surprising though it may be, people usually believe what they want to believe simply because they believe it. Not because it lines up with the facts. The original description makes clear what these animals, that I have a bunch of and am very fond of, are or are not.

The original description of amrali says the following,

"Diagnosis.---This form may be distinguished from the related subspecies as follows: from the more northern South American form Constrictor constrictor constrictor (Linne’) by the lower number of scale rows (71-79 instead of 85-89)"

I have counted the scale rows on these animals and it's clear, based upon the original description where these animals fall.

How's that for being clear as mud?
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How many animals comprised the original description/designation?

I misread, and apolagize. I though you had some from germany. If so , wanted to hear , as Paul Harvey so ofet says, "and now the rest of the story".
Thanks