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Sea snake venoms and other weird elapids

BGF Aug 30, 2003 12:42 AM

In all the noise generated by the 'colubrid' section, the venoms of the marine and terrestrial elapids have been overlooked. I thought the parallell streamlining of the sea snake (true sea snake and sea krait) venoms and also how packed some of the smaller elapids wer. Like Suta suta in Oz which turned out to be really bloody toxic. Or how bog-standard Aspidelaps turned out to be, basically just a small Naja type. Same sort of potential as as an African Naja sp. with the same sized head.

Cheers
BGF
Snake venom paper

Replies (4)

coralcobra Aug 30, 2003 05:26 AM

As long as I keep Aspidelaps lubricus I have treated them as a dangerous snake but a few years ago there was a breeder of this species in Holland who sold them as harmless snakes and when people came to buy one he freehandled the animals to convince the buyers!

Anyway, I hope your paper will reach people who still think this species is harmless.

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Cheers,
Harold

www.venominal.tk

rayhoser Aug 30, 2003 06:16 AM

Maybe I should be dead!
Re the preceding posts,
Over the years I've been pinged by Suta suta heaps of times and never had more than a bit of local stinging!
Ditto for some of the others like "flagellum", "dwyeri", etc.
ALL THE BEST

Ferdelance_1 Aug 30, 2003 12:45 PM

Cheers,

Derek K.

Jeremy G Sep 03, 2003 09:15 AM

Hey mate,
While on the topic of Aspidelaps venom would you care to give any insight into posible AV coverage of envenomations by this sp from current African Naja polyvalent? Most litature I have read clearly states that there is no av thought to cover this sp or the genus. Has anyone attempted useing it before? Due to the very low likely hood of being bitten or even seeing an aspidelaps in the wild (due to their secretive and nocturnal habbits)and the low rate of serious effects from recorded bites that wouldnt even need AV treatment anyway I imagine that there havent been many oppirtunities to try. Perhaps other African elapid avs may work better then the Naja? Due they include other elapids such as Dendroaspis in polyvalent AV production? Since their venom (Aspidelaps) seems so close on the molecular level to most other African elapids wouldnt it make sense to use exsisting AV for bites? Am I missing somthing here? (Imagine that )

Welp, just wondering what to do incase my mutant sized female A.l.lubricus ever gets ahold of me She is 34 inches as of last week!!!!!!!!

Thanks in advance dude!

Later,
Jeremy

P.S While studieing your specimens of A.lubricus did yuo notice anything extrodinary about their fang lengths? I recall reading a publication which states that there fangs, in porportion to their size, are huge! I havent really compared their fang lengths to anything else in my collection but maybe I will do the pepsi challange with my Naja annulifera once they come closer to the size of my adult lubricus.

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