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Kids For Kindness Earth Day 2008

OKReptileRescue Apr 22, 2008 02:20 AM

Thought you burmese fans would like these pics from an event we went to sunday.
The event is for kids, teaching them ways they can help the earth-- we teach conservation, awareness, and responsible pet ownership.

I will note before the pics and lectures--- she did rub her nose pretty bad in the 2 1/2 hour car ride down to the event-- not used to being in a screen top cage...
She has also been out all day and is preparing to shed, so her belly scales are starting to come loose- looks pretty rough in the pics but really aren't all that bad...

Now-- Pics!!

My husband, Jon and Shivaah

My Mom and a Red Tail Boa...

My favorite pic from the event:

another good shot-- of a BP

Me and a beardie:

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The rescue site: www.freewebs.com/okreptilerescue

Replies (7)

dadspets Apr 22, 2008 10:21 AM

Ok, 1st, I know it's for the kids but WHY would you take a snake out that is geating ready to shed ??? If you new the snake was getting ready to shed then you should have soaked 'm and let him shed before taking him out in public. You did this for education ?, then bringing a snke out that is coming out of shed was a bad move. Atleast in my opinion. 2nd ya the snake may have not been used to a wire cage but I would lean more to him being stessed because of him coming out of shed not the cage. Just my opinion and I know we all have one.
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Education is Everything.......

OKReptileRescue Apr 22, 2008 10:54 AM

and its also my opinion and choice to do such a thing.
She hasn't gone blue yet-- and seeing as how that same animal does a dozen or more events each year and have never had a problem.... er-- yha, i elected to take her.
We had been watching her and talking about wether we should take her or not, we had gotten her out several days before the show to see how she would act---

I made the decision, and as you can CLEARLY see from the pictures that I wanted to share WITHOUT any of the notorious kingsnake lectures-- she was just fine.

Being out on the grass, and in and out of a cage all day, being drug around, we were constantly picking little peices of grass out of her scales, moving her back and forth and such. when we got home, we wanted to make sure there was no more tid-bits of grass stuck, so she got a warm bath.

She won't actually shed for another 2-3 weeks.

In the end, it is my animal, that only I know the temperment of, and I have worked with her for many many many years, and I know her body language just fine....

I will refrain from sharing any more photos... but I do love how I seem to be attacked as readily as the newbies that think thier burm eats crickets....

wonderful way to wake up after a 12 hour shift... a lecture... joy

Beth
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The rescue site: www.freewebs.com/okreptilerescue

dadspets Apr 22, 2008 11:17 AM

Beth, you are correct, thats your animal and do what you wish with it and the rest of your animals. I do many educational presentation myself towards the middle of the year, weather permiting, whether they are anywere near the shead process, and if I have a date set I make sure that I hold off on feeding. These are all in concern of my animals well being. You doing the educational thing is awsome. I commend you. Thats also part of my business. But you have to be extra carefull on what or how you educate. The dried scales coming of in my opinion does not look good. And if the scales were coming of the belly than I do not understand how you said it would be 2 to 3 more weeks before shedding. By no means I'm not trieng to start an arguement just voicing my opinion.
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Education is Everything.......

OKReptileRescue Apr 22, 2008 12:34 PM

She shed a few weeks ago as well-- then ate.

She pooped 3 days before the show.
She is starting to turn 'dirty' again-- like they do before they shed again.

the loose shed on her upper belly didn't look like that until later in the day-- that pic was taken about 4 hours into the show.

Its a combo of being drug around on the ground, and then being pulled in and out of a small cage-- which is a rather percarious thing to do with a heavy snake that wants to go out the other direction.

She had a full shed a few weeks ago, and usually does-- I believe that the scales in question, aren't ready to be shed yet, and I think we messed those up through the day.

We are always cautious with out animals. The child in the photo is the photographers child, and asked permission to get that close to the head---for the photo.

Note that the kids in the background are sitting down.... which is our customary practice when kids are around the big snake.
Also not where my husband is standing-- that would be the hairy leg and white shoes. We always keep one person by the head- which is usually between our feet, we stand over her- so if she were to try and turn around to bite someone, she'd have go around my leg to get anywhere.

The snake has never struck at a human, and rarely strikes at food--- we put it in a cat litter box, and set it in her cage, she comes up, smells it and eats it-- she doesn't even wrap them up anymore.
She fared better than I did at the event, I spend the entire day being paranoid about what *could* happen to my animals. Last year we took a small rosy boa out and a kid kept trying to walk off with it-- we asked him to leave and/or come back with a parent, and we didn't take small snakes this year.

anyway-- I am fine with conversation, but I do regularly feel 'attacked' by other members-- and I have seen newbies jumped all over before-- and I hate it. I know that when I feel berated (sp?) and we'll say disrespected--- for lack of better words, I don't want to ask questions, I don't want to post-- those pics were taken sunday, i debated until today (tues) to post them.... because I didn't want lectures, but I love seeing other people's pictures-- and wanted to share pics from a good event.
I know that when newbies get jumped on for thier posts, they don't come back-- everyone here says they're looking out for the animals, but scaring or maybe insulting a new owner to the point that they dont come back or don't ask questions isn't going to help the animal.... I didn't come on kingsnake for nearly a year-- because I had been insulted on the forum then sent several rude emails--- it wasnt worth it. however, kingsnake still is a great place to learn, and after you dig through the same-ol' posts, there are some great ones here...
but that is an entirely different topic.

anyway...

Beth
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The rescue site: www.freewebs.com/okreptilerescue

mfoux Apr 22, 2008 02:59 PM

Beth,
Please keep the pictures and posts coming. Don't get discouraged by criticism. I've been criticized by people on this site after sharing an opinion of one of the pioneers in the reptile field. I didn't even necessarily agree with the opinion, I just shared it with someone on here and others jumped in and attacked me. But people are always going to have opinions. I'm here to learn and to teach.
With that in mind, I'd like to pick your brain a little. And anyone else who is reading this, as well. I recently did two small presentations for two groups of 2nd graders at my fiancee's school. She and the other teachers asked if I would bring some of my snakes and my sulcata. I brought the tortoise, a pueblan milk, Thayer's king, gray-banded king, ball python and a carpet python. For this show, due to liability issues, they told the kids they could not touch the snakes, which was fine by me, as these kids were wild! Everything went very well and they seemed very interested in having me back next year. I have other snakes (see my sig below), but chose the ones I brought based on color, variety, temperament and feeding schedule. I wish I had gotten pictures. I really enjoyed it more than I thought I would and wonder if you have any advice for me as I will probably do this again next year.
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dadspets Apr 22, 2008 08:31 PM

Beth, take it the way you want. I by no means was putting you down, etc. Best of luck to you.........
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Education is Everything.......

HappyHillbilly Apr 23, 2008 12:29 AM

"...the notorious kingsnake lectures..."

Ahh, Beth, you know that everyone's an expert. Ha! Ha! We're all experts at one time or another, about something or another. (That's not a punch at "dadspets" either, so please don't anyone take it that way.) I know it’s hard not to take things personally sometimes. Sometimes it depends on who’s saying it or it could depend on how they say it. Sometimes, regardless of who, what, when, where, we take it personally. We’re human.

First, let me thank you for sharing those pics, I appreciate it & I'm sure others do, too. I also thank you for trying to inform, educate, the general public as events like that can go a long way toward helping combat the fear that's threatening the captivity of these beautiful creatures as well as promote responsible pet ownership. That’s a nice lookin’ Burmese python, by the way.

Each situation is different. The way I may act/react in certain situations may be different than the way someone else acts/reacts under the same circumstances except with our own snakes. There are many factors that are involved and no matter how hard we try it's nearly impossible for us to be the same. The main thing to keep in mind is that most of us here are in it for the same responsible reason. Just about anyone can find fault with someone else's situation. That's life, even though sometimes I don't like it myself.

As for the nose-rub, you might want to consider putting the snake in a burlap bag or some other type of cloth bag and then placing it in the tank. Those things happen sometimes, though. None of us are perfect.

I like the procedures you mentioned about having kids sit down & the snake’s head between your husband’s legs, away from the kids. Those are good precautions.

I’d like to just share some concerns I have and not lecture you. The photo with the little girl whose face is just above the snake’s head makes me a lil’ uneasy about the circumstances. You said you’ve had the snake for many years and know it well, and I can pretty much relate to that. My concerns are:

* Snakes are still undomesticated animals, and all animal types have unpredictable moments.

* Even though your husband is standing just to the side, he is standing upright and couldn’t possibly keep the lil’ girl from getting bit in the face.

* I see a cat in close proximity. Did you know for a fact that the lil’ girl had not been cuddling a cat or some other animal and have the scent on her face?

I realize that I’m viewing things after the fact and not during the moment. It’s like looking back.

About the belly scales – unless the snake had just come out of blue, which you said it hadn’t, they should not be peeling off. You said you think ya’ll messed up those scales by dragging the snake around and getting it in/out of the cage. I think you’re right. A Burmese python that size shouldn’t be dragged around. There’s too much weight distributed to the points of contact, resulting in damaged belly scales and could possibly cause other damage, including muscular.

I don’t consider this a lecture and I hope you don’t either. The way I see it is there’s most likely not any difference between this and what you say/do at those events, the information you share with people.

Have a good one!
HH
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