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Almost a year!

MikesMonitors Apr 24, 2008 11:05 AM

Hey Mike, how'd you make out with that cage made of Landscape Timbers for the Jobiensis? I was nervous about it at the time, but now I'm curious as to how things have been with it as I'm working on a "project" at the moment and the landscape timbers would be VERY handy.
As for anyone else that cares to respond, please do so. My other question is, when it comes to larger branches/logs, how do you guys usually go about making sure there are no parasites or bugs on them before placing them in the enclosures?
-Brian

Brian, or anyone wondering.
Things are going real good!
The enclosure shows no signs of warping, checking, twisting, it should last say 10 years!? Unlike FRP covered plywood!
No feeder prey items or any other "nasties" in or out!

My Monitors seem to be OK with the climbable surface the Timbers provide. That was my intentions with such an enclosure!

As for what the new EPA standards with "Treated" Landscaping timbers are, they must really SUCK!
I have all of my little work horses (millipedes, centipedes and roly polies) along with some shrooms from time to time.
They all have again lived amongst these timbers since the day I bought them...I did wash the lichen and algea off though.

My Monitors are still living, breeding and hatching all in the presence of these "treated" Timbers!

Plus they still have plenty of energy to SLAP you with!

OUCH!!

If anything good has come from this, more folks other than Robyn and I are building up from the typical trough setups!!
Good for the Monitors!
Mike

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Replies (12)

FR Apr 24, 2008 01:09 PM

Comments I do.

Please Mike, you know I love you brother, but you have a habit of jumping the gun.

You've gone a year with your very nice cage and then you make assumptions about ten years. No offense, but one year is not ten years, and that type of statement has caused lots and lots of problems with monitors. You know, longterm assumptions based on short term or NO experience.

About FRP cages, I have not idea why you would even make that statement, but I have some up and in use for 8 and 9 years and they have not aged a day. On top of that, the person who showed me this has had cages of this design for many years before I used them. If you have heard of failures, I would look at the builders ability to do quality work, not the material. Most folks are not good at building, and or do not have the tools. In the case of building, TOOLS ARE EVERYTHING.

So your statements about them(FRP) are also assumptions or wishes.

Your cage is great, at least for you and for now. Which leads to my next comment. I like simple cages with easy access and can be completely redone without modifying the cage itself. That makes them valuable for the now and the future.

For instance, your cage is simply a trough based cage. No more, no less. The top part is awkward, but does have a couple of nice abilities, like its wood, so monitors can utilize it. And its has an uneven surface, again monitors can utilize that, at least smaller individuals.

Whats not so handy about it is, when you decide you would rather have a different texture, or wall covering. While you can still cover it with anything you like, its awkward and heavy and takes up more room then it needs too. Again, I like the ability to switch the insides of all cages. The reason is, I am not so smart as to get it right for all species and all stages of a monitors life. Oh, you do understand, much like humans and other animals, monitors change as they age. And yes, aging much more then a year. So, I like to change with them.

Again, older monitors, even climbing species will lose the ability or need to climb.

Lastly, when posting on a worldwide forum like this one, your addressing keepers from all over the world. In this case, wood will not work for me because we are in the dry DESERT and it would dry out and warp and crack in a very short time. Yes sir, that is my problem and not yours, but then that allows me to make comments based on how that would work for me. Not how it works for you. If this does age well for you, wonderful. But again, your not me.

So as you know, I fully respect and congratulate you for making the special effort you did, and yes, you have reaped the rewards from making that effort, congrats.

So now its time for me to make one of my rude comments, I only wish more folks would actually DO THE WORK(like you did), and quit the babbling. After all, its all about effort, not about how smart we think we are.

If the academics had the ability to think, they would have realized a long time ago, "my" SUCCESS is base on two things, One, I work my arse off and two, I believe in monitors not academics or myself for that matter. Cheers and keep up the effort. Cheers

MikesMonitors Apr 24, 2008 03:04 PM

Nah, I ain't jumping the gun.
Some folks have asked about the "treated" Timbers and long term effects the chemicals may have. Again 1 year later no problems!
Nothing more nothing less...it is what it is!

FRP lined plywood doesn't last too long up here is Chicago...so right back at ya. Perhaps it's the dry air in the desert?

As far as this cage being interchangable on the inside, why not?

And of course nobody can compare results with you...your the man!!

Bottom line is after almost 1 year no illeffects from the chemicals and it will last a very long time!

Who said these are the only enclosure I have or use?
Wait till you see these raise up enclosures.
The one enclosure I have yet to build is the geriatric ward lol, ahh maybe one day?
Thanks for your input.
Mike

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FR Apr 24, 2008 04:12 PM

Your not telling me much Mike, what happens to the FRP cages up there???? And is that the fault of the material or what some dude glues the material to? You see, your not giving any REAL information to any of us. Sort of a blind comparision.

So what is Chicago causes them damage????? smog???? cars crashing into them? You made me curious. If done properly, adverse conditions will not harm that stuff.

Of course you could glue it to some old crappy pressboard or particule board and of course it would not last long, its not the FRP, its a poor choice of OTHER MATERIAL/s. You could also use indoor(waterbase)glue in a "wet" situation. Again, that would be builder error, not a FRP problem.

Besides man, you do not have to compare your cages to anybodys, you like them, good on you, run with them, they're yours. Cheers

MikesMonitors Apr 24, 2008 04:21 PM

Well when put that way your right!
I guess if it was glued to a proper base it would last for a long time!
Any type of wood, sucks with all of the spraying I do.
The "shower" type cement board would work great but that stuff is heavy and like you said it's not something I would like to work with.
Mike
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sdslancs Apr 24, 2008 10:19 PM

The "shower" type cement board would work great but that stuff is heavy and like you said it's not something I would like to work with.

I just built a temporary cage using that stuff! It's very hard to work with, but boy it's like a hotbox in there. Sorry to butt in on your conversation, but I was surprised to see anyone even mention the 'shower' type cement board. I just happened to have access to several panels of it for free, so thought I'd give it a go!

Susan.

MikesMonitors Apr 24, 2008 10:33 PM

Susan
I think that's the best way to go, especialy with Monitors that require high humdity.
What species?
Mike
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sdslancs Apr 25, 2008 07:56 AM

Mike

I have Albigs. Not so much in need of the high humidity as some of the more tropical species, but I had no idea how this material would work. He seems to be thriving though and has grown a huge amount in the past month. I wasn't able to upload the picture on here, but I have one on the 'other' forum .

Susan.

MikesMonitors Apr 24, 2008 03:26 PM

I didn't you love me.
"Thank you"!
Mike
What the world needs now (next line please)....?
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FR Apr 24, 2008 04:05 PM

"is more captive hatched Peachies" More peachies, more peachies, What the world needs now is more captive hatched monitors of anykind. What the world needs now, is more passion(and passion fruit for that matter), Oh and consideration for the animals and not the stupid books.

Whoops, I did it again. Ok, a book is only some dudes, thoughts, gatherings, made up crap, about the monitor/s, so why not take the monitors as the subject. After all, any and all of these books are the ideas, etc, of only a person. However nice or smart that person is, they cannot come close to understanding a monitor, like the monitor does. Ok, thats not a song, but it should be.

Oh by the way, I love you man, but not in the same way as I love girls, or lizards, or nature. Ok, maybe I don't love you, but I could! I do love your passion. Something missing by most these days. Ok, let me add that to the above.

MikesMonitors Apr 24, 2008 04:13 PM

Give that man a cigar!
Mike
I was hoping you would show your age and complete the lyrics
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HappyHillbilly Apr 25, 2008 02:21 AM

I was hoping you would show your age and complete the lyrics

Ha! I'm surprised he remembered it, he was old when that song came out.

Later!
Mike
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MikesMonitors Apr 25, 2008 06:23 AM

I was thinking the same thing while writing the responce! LOL
Mike
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