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At last! True Colombian Hypos!!!

I bought this Hypo from Erich Gaertner in 2004. This is the story about where he came from:

In 2001 or 2002 John Carlson, a Reptile dealer and friend of Erich from the Chicago area was at Strictly Boas when a mess of Boas were shipped in from Colombia. Erich had told John to look out for something special for him while he was at Strictly in the Boa department. Well, John was looking through gazillions of baby Boas that were freshly imported from Colombia. He selected a pair of Pastels for Erich and this one Boa:

This was him as a baby, on the floor, while still at Strictly I believe:

This was him this past fall:

A Hypo!? Yes, a Hypo import from Colombia. This little fellow was a new born baby at the time but is a fully adult breeder male now. I actually have stubbornly been trying to get him to breed one female in particular. A Rob Tudehope produced Pastel that I bought from Rob about 13 or 14 years ago. She has yet to produce for me. I have had this Hypo in trying to breed that female for the past three breeding seasons. No more. This year he got a new younger girl. This girl is a pure Colombian DuBay Pastel that coincidentally was produced by Erich 8 or 9 years ago. The DuBay Bloodline was named for an animal that Joel DuBay bred in about 1995. I actually produced her in 1989. I was hoping finally, to have some true all Colombian bloodline Hypos maybe in the spring. I can trace the lineage back on the mother of these babies back to the early 1980's on one side, and the 1970's on the other. She is descended from Colombian imports. Not that Colombian imports are particularly hard to find actually. But she has no other morphs or anything of that sort in her background. This is the first time she has ever been bred, and what a wonderful job she did!

I removed her from the cage where she had them up on the shelf. They are still resting where their Momma had them yesterday evening. I counted 35 heads, so there are probably a few I missed. A nice litter and a few really crazy color wise Hypos and Pastels in the litter. Much nicer than I expected actually.

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So all you locality wackos out there rejoice! There are some pure Colombian Hypos so now you can get one or two, if I don't keep them all...

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Finally Jeff,very happy this Hypo Colombian produced
for you this year!Congratulations
Lar M
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NICE, a turning point for the Colombians. Point for us! Can't wait to see what you come up with next and what they will be producing in the future! Congrats!!!

-Shawn
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Nice pile of babies Jeff!

Congrats!

Andy
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where does this put things? Now will we have "pure" CA Hypos, and "pure" Colombian hypos? Okay, so where do we place all the other hypos and salmons that have already been bred into almost every mutation??? This does indicate that to date, all hypo motleys of the Colombian line are mutts, right? As well as Jungles, sunglows, ghosts, etc. Will this become an issue, or selling point now? Does everyone concerned with public view sit on the fence of dumping the hypo stock they already have to establish "pure" Colombian hypos to prevent the pitfalls of producing "mutts" that will be sold against "pure" hypos in the future? The purity issue with morphs is an "as it benefits me best at this point" debate to begin with, but I can see this opening a door that might be better off left unopen.

I think its just another wonderful
option! Lar M
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Yeah, it is, unless someone has thousands wrapped up into a project which becomes down graded due to a "pure" option. Jeff has Col. motleys and Col. hypos. In theory, he can sell "pure colombian hypo motleys", the other guys CAN'T. Those others now have mutts, Jeffs are pure....it can hurt the offspring value substantially. Maybe it won't, but I will be surprised if it doesn't have a negative effect of some sort on other collections.

You do have a point. Although it
appears to me there are several projects
that are crossed.Sharps paired with Sonorans,
nicaraguans etc...Has it had a bad effect
crossing these particular lines? I don't
think it has.I just choose not go that route
with my particular breedings.Everyone can make
their choices in respect to this.If Jeff wants
to he can make a huge selling point about this
which in return will be reflected in the price he
chooses to charge.After all it is a completely
new morph really isn't it.Point well taken though,
interesting to see how this works out.Lar M
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Jeff,

Looks great!Could you do a photo comparison of your hypo Colombian next to either an orangetail hypo, Ihle hypo, or both? I wanted to see how different the Colombian animal is. Of course the tail, side patterns, etc. Also the comparisons with babies that are 1/2 Colombian and 1/2 orange tail/Ihle line (like any cross), and an all orange tail/Ihle line. This way the size of the babies and all around general look could be compared. Very cool. Congrats.

I don't think this is anything that will in any way reflect negatively upon the already existing and established Hypo animals. I have gazillions of them myself. In no way does this change the status of the existing animals from the beautiful morphs and or selectively bred animals that they already are. Notice I choose not to use the "m" word because there are none of those in the Boa world.

Just as Larry said, this is simply another option. Some folks I know have never gotten a Hypo because they did not want to use animals that had been bred from two known different localities. My logic was that Panama, especially where the Matriarch of the other Hypos came from, on the Colombian side of the Panama Canal, were essentially just too close to Colombians to relegate them to some other status. It doesn't matter if people agreed with that or not. The only point is that there now is that option for the reluctant locality purists who stuck by their guns to take advantage of.

That plus these are fundamentally much nicer Hypos for F1 animals. I don't think I saw Hypos this nice, in my opinion, that weren't at least F3 animals. We produced the first Pastel Hypos in 2000 here and some of these babies look nicer than those did. Anyhow, as I see it, when breeding these I will have an easier time making them better and better very quickly.

Then of course there will be folks making Ghosts, Sunglows, Hypo Motleys, Sunglow Motleys, Pastel Albinos, Pastel Hypos and who knows what all else that are Colombian. I guess I don't see how that can be a bad thing.
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"Hypo" is just one of those words that covers a huge variety of looks. The question is if this is essentially the "salmon" or "orangetail" mutation in a Colombian. If is is I would expect to see the same pattern abnormalities that go along with the trait.

Here are 100% Colombian babies that are also a codom "hypo" we call them pink panthers. They are not remindful or the "orangetail" or "salmon" trait as seen in the Panamanian boas. The thing I like about them most is they do not alter the pattern in any way. Interesting, when bred with an orangetail they produced a snake remindful of a "super"-but so does a Hog Island boa, which also is a "hypo" in terms of its coloration as compared to a normally colored boa constrictor.

pink panther orangetail

pink panther orangetail-

I am going to take the babies out of the cage today. They have dispersed and are on the move now so it's time. I like to leave them where their Momma dropped them if I can resist the temptation to get a better look right away. I'll get my first good look at them then. I've only see the ones along the edges really... We'll see...
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I've got to ask a dumb question.
Are all thre of the pictured boas
"Pink Panthers"? Thanks Lar M
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No, just the two light colored ones-

Thanks just what I thought.
I wanted to be certain. I'm
certain even more of what I lost.
>Lar M
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There are a lot of people, especially men who are to some degree color blind. TO many of us the difference between the two in the front and the one in the back is stark, to Larry there may have been very little difference at all. Good question Larry!
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Thanks for the support Jeff,LOL.In this case I could
certainly tell the difference between the top Boa and
two bottom Boas.It may not have been that easy for some
people.So it may have appeared to be a dumb question. I
just wanted to be certain it was clear to everyone and/or
there was not some variation I was missing with these three Boas.
Also that top Boa is unique and beautiful in its own right.
I do know I would love to have one or two "pink Panther" Boas for myself.Het for nothing straight Colombian "Pink Panther"
Boas.
I know you have mentioned it and we have talked about the
color blindness issue that many individulas have.This makes
identifying some boas tough for certain individuals
I do have a brown/green color variation problem myself.
Lar M
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Your baby tub is no longer empty, so please stop whinning lol.

Huge Congrats Jeff, awesome litter!

Congrats Jeff! Thats a pretty big litter! I hope your pacing back and forth has settled down now!

Have a great weekend!

Thanks
John