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2007 super motley clones?

Gabor Apr 24, 2008 04:52 PM

Hi

I saw Marks post below so i decided to show you this litter i had in may 2007.

First of all im very sorry Mark for your lost. They would be amazing babies for sure.

Anyway, the baby boas that you can see below came from breeding and albino male to 50% het. albino motley female. I had many slugs and 5 premature kidos in the litter - 3 normal and 2 super motleys. I made them some good environment and they were alive for 4 days but finally passed. These motleys are super for sure just like Marks. They dont have any pattern and they also have the strange head look. (i think only the roswell striped boa has a similar head).
Anyway, my female motley was never, ever been with motley male. I didnt want to produce any super, i was counting for het. albinos or albinos.
Last year when this had happened i talked with a genetic friend and we came up with an idea they they are semiclones. I wish i have done genetic test. We didnt do any at the end...
So, we are not sure if they were clones or not but we are sure that the motley gene is weired.

Take care

Gabor

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Gabor Kaminski

Replies (3)

ChrisGilbert Apr 24, 2008 04:58 PM

that someone once had that females reproduce through parthenogenisis when the male does enough to stimulate her, but the sperm is doesn't fertilize. Kind of mother nature's backup plan.

I believe this was posted around Celia Chien's 2006 litter from Motley X Hypo. The dam was the Hypo, no Motleys were produced. The year before she was bred to a Jungle. The Hypo was NOT a Super. Yet the litter was half slugs, half babies, all the babies were Hypo, and all were female. No motleys. Some did resemble Jungles, no idea if that ever proved out. Celia was going to have paternity tests done, never heard if that worked out or not.
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Gilbert Boas
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Warren_Booth Apr 24, 2008 05:19 PM

To anyone interested in the paternity tests, or to determine whether or not these are clones, etc, drop me an email.
I have the markers to test this.
Warren
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Dr Warren Booth
North Carolina State University
Department of Entomology
3309 Gardner Hall
Raleigh, NC 27695-7613

LarM Apr 24, 2008 05:41 PM

That's one of the other forms of Parthenogenesis
called Gynogenesis I beleive.Sperm stimulates
the egg without fertilizing it. Lar M
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Boas By Klevitz

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