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ok, so what patterns have been found to be recessive? now if you get the recessive gene of hypo and anery, you will get DHs, these together, and you might get lucky and get the ghost. Well my question is, just say blush and eclipse are recessive pattern genes, when the DH are bred, what the hell will that 1/16 boa look like???

am i way off the mark, and really confused or?
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Dave

2.2 Normal BRBs
0.1 Anery BRB
2.1 66% poss het anery BRB
1.1 het hypo BRB

Paid for, but stuck in europe somewhere hope to get from next german show
1.0 Anery BRB
0.1 66% poss het anery BRB
2.5 66% poss het new european line hypo

If "blush" and "eclipse" are recessive patterns, you'll see that 1/16 animal with whatever the recessive dictates the parents paste on it. For the sake of argument, if "blush" is recessive and you have 2 blush DH parents, you'll get blush pattern on your 1/16. If 2 het "blush", you'll get a 1/4 chance of getting your "blush". If you had DH for both patterns, its hard to say which would override which or what would happen. I personally doubt "blush" or "eclipse" are recessive patterns, I think there's more to it like the bullseye pattern.

If I were you, I'd definitely go for the pearl ghosts over the blush! Bullseyes too. Put me on those lists, ok? I'd love a bright ghost BRB with big ol' fat bullseye crescents! I'm sure I can find a few friends to help with the container costs. Or just take holiday.

yeah was just using the blush and eclipse as examples. Basically just trying to work things out in my head, as i will have 7 different bloodlines in my collection once they all arrive. And all are the same pattern except for one, which is much like daves pearls, not quite the same, but very different to a normal. His look more cleaner, but i guess time will tell. So guess i need to work out if my strange patterned ones are recessive or not. Dont really like the odds, of trying to get a 1/16 snake double up on pattern and colour in the same clutch. Haha remember think was mike lockwood, explaining how many years things would take, and oh my god it true, but im so exicted about the possibilites, couldnt really care less if it takes 20years!!!
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Dave

2.2 Normal BRBs
0.1 Anery BRB
2.1 66% poss het anery BRB
1.1 het hypo BRB

Paid for, but stuck in europe somewhere hope to get from next german show
1.0 Anery BRB
0.1 66% poss het anery BRB
2.5 66% poss het new european line hypo

I believe the only proven recessive is hypo.

Anery is a suspected but, last I heard, unproven recessive.

Pearl is also another suspected recessive but this is largely because of the number of them that showed up in the same litter rather then partial breeding trial results like with anery.

I'm also pretty sure that bullseye, eclipse, and blush are all line bred polygenic traits/phases. Other examples of polygenic traits/phases would be high-red, high-orange, high-yellow, or extremely dark. I may be mistaken on blush though because I cannot remember how recently it showed up in collections.

Those with more first hand knowledge of any of these traits please correct anything I may have missed or misremembered.

Sean.
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1.1 BRB
1.1 Triple Het TPRS's
0.1 Silver TPRS
1.1 Amel Bloodred Corns
0.1 Abbott Okeetee Corn
0.1 Blizzard Bloodred Corn
1.1 Thayeri Kingsnakes
0.1 Reeve's Turtle
0.2 Amstaff's
1.0 Pudytat

Yes Hypo is the only fully proven recessive trait.

Anery while not fully proven, is following recessive expected results. More time is required to fully prove the morph. Not to mention there appears to be several "lines" that may or may not be compatible. Also, I refer to the Sharp line as partially proven, other lines may or may not be reccessive.

Pearl is totally unknown at this time. With a full litter of them I suspect it's genetic but need to do breeding trials to figure out mode of inheritence.

I believe Bullseye, Eclipse and Blush are all line bred polygenic
traits but more work needs to be done. (am working on it but will take a few years)

Calico which is in it's infancy and will require several years to even determine if it's inheritable.

Albino, expected to be recessive but being kept hush hush so no real info available.

Stripe, several varieties, none known to be genetic, most under investigation!

Abby, also several individuals, to be determined.
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
26.49 BRB
20.21 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

What is the pearl morph? I keep up on all boa morphs as much as possible, but I've never heard of a pearl. Can someone post pics or at least descibe it?

It's a pattern morph that has not been tested at all yet but Dave acquired a clutch of BRB's in which a very high percent had a uniform pattern abnormality. Specifically instead of having a crescent of color in the top of the black spot side markings these have a black ring with the entire inside being the crescent color. They are quite striking.

Here's a link to a post lower on the page of Dave's with picks of some of his pearls.
http://forums.kingsnake.com/view.php?id=1508543,1508543

The pearls are down near the bottom of the string of photo's.

Sean.
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1.1 BRB
1.1 Triple Het TPRS's
0.1 Silver TPRS
1.1 Amel Bloodred Corns
0.1 Abbott Okeetee Corn
0.1 Blizzard Bloodred Corn
1.1 Thayeri Kingsnakes
0.1 Reeve's Turtle
0.2 Amstaff's
1.0 Pudytat

Yeah, I bought the entire clutch and they all have the same pattern, some cleander than others. Will be fun to work with them and see what I can figure out. Some similar ones have surfaced in Europe.

The girls...

And the boys...

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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
26.49 BRB
20.21 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats