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Well, nice day to practice my picture skills " or lack there of. " However, this one turned out great! I have kept almost every flavor of B.C.C. there is over the years and love them all " if pure. " Today, it is not all about speckles or no speckles or widows peaks or no widows peaks or thin or thick saddles. I just appreciate and admire the diversity and beauty of all True Locale Boas. This girl is from Guyana and nice Guyana's are hard to come by, but if you love Boas for the right reasons, " they are all beautiful in their own way. " She has the traits I like to see in a Suriname/Guyana; " uniform and connecting saddles with no peaks and golden back and red to pink sides and cherry tail, ladder or not. " However, the older I get and the more I get away from the " Market Standard " and what the " Market " deems worthy of a good price, the more I truly see what made me fall in love with these animals in the first place! A " Beautiful " or " Stunning " or " Incredible " or " Smokin " Boa, is a HEALTHY and HAPPY Boa. The older I get, the more I embrace simplicity...........John J

Very eyecatching! A beautiful Guyana. Adam

That one is really nice, John! Too many people get caught up in certain traits like the size of the peaks. Bottom line is if it looks good, it looks good regardless of what traits it has. I've seen some animals with amazing peaks, for example, that lacked color and contrast. Your animal simply blows them away. I never did get caught up in what everyone else was looking for. Ironically, some of my nicest boas were the ones that I paid the least amount of money for. Killer Guyana you have there.------RON
P.S. Here's a striped Guyana for you.

I see you still have that one! Still unique and a real beauty in her own right......JJ

Love that Guyana- very nice!!

If that's one of the boas that you paid the least for, I'll double what you paid if you send it to me!
AWESOME animal. I feel like I've seen it before though. If you don't mind me asking, who did you purchase it from? Male or female? Did it come in with all those striped animals a few years ago that Pete Watson went crazy for?
Oh, I agree 100% with everything you said. I've seen some SUPER peaky animals that I wouldn't want in my collection because that's all they offer. I always look for a total package, and it's not always the same package with every animal. Like you said, if it's a good looking animal that catches your eye, it's a good looking animal!
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Jonathan Brady
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She came out of a Guyana shipment about a year ago......JJ

I need to know how long it'll be til she gets to MY PLACE!
I've got a male that'll breed her to death if I let him!
jb
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Jonathan Brady
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Now , now young Jonathan. I could no more send her down the road, than you could your holdbacks from Rose; " wich by the way, was an outstanding litter and if you remember years ago when you got Rose, I told you that Boa would have some stunners? " Not to mention, an old friend of mine wants her and would have to have first dibs, but I can assure you both, she is not going anywere. Here is a nice picture of her future boyfriend. He is a nice bannana yellow and lavender Guyana. Neat little combo for possible brightly colored babies one day?...........John J

Thanks John! And actually, depending on what the next litter of Rose's babies look like, I may actually sell those holdbacks as the sire of that litter isn't as nice (IMO) as the sire I have lined up for her next. I actually had him in the cage with Rose and the other male last year, but he was not big enough to dominate the situation and breed her so he just sat back and watched. The SMALL possibility exists that he snuck a hemipenis in while the other male wasn't watching. IF that happened, the new pairing should tell me definitively as the two males are light years apart in appearances. At this point, it's just a waiting game to see when I can get viable babies from her again.

As for your pairing, those should be some WICKED colored Guyanans with nice even patterns and tails! Good luck with them!
jb
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Jonathan Brady
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Jonathan, it really does not matter what the Sire looked like. What matters my friend is; " genetic compatibility and especially with B.C.C. " That litter was extremely impressive and the colors were magnificent. No, the patterns may not have been as precise and or thin or long peaked, but " who really cares? " The combination worked and the end result was babies that anyone would or should be proud of. Putting together " the best of pairs " can actually work in reverse at times and result in a big disappointment and the babies not turn out as nice, as expected " this is especially true with Peruvian Boas. " Surinames, seem to respond well too producing nice and peaked offspring, when two very peaked Surinames are bred together " Guyana' also. " However, after a while it is best to throw a " dog in the mix. " By continually breeding the best of the best, we start to loose the very attributes, that we like about them and at times it can cause a reversal that makes the offspring look less attractive than expected. Peruvians, are notorious for this. My famed " 99 litter of Peruvians " were a result of two polar opposite Peruvians. The female was O.K. but the male was a dog. The babies however; " were some of the most unreal that were ever seen. " When Barry Miller bred his pair from that litter " they both were nothing less than incredible. " However the litter that he got from the pairing were nowere in the ball park of what was expected. This, has seemed to ring true in most cases with Peruvians. In the wild, the ultra clean and thin saddled B.C.C. are not looking to breed others that share the same cleanliness and pattern and yet a polar opposite combination, can still have really nice offspring and some ugly ones also to contribute. I could go into a great bit of detail on this, but in short " if it is broke, why fix it? " Once you find a combination that works and results in beautiful Boas that still look like they represent, what they are; " why continue to explore the unknown for a possible disappointment? " She may only have one more litter for you and if that is it; " why not go with what you know works and get the expected results, instead of taking a chance on complete disappointment and maybe never getting a third litter? " Have Fun.......JJ

I meant; " if it is not broke do not fix it. " Hit the button too soon.....JJ

Hey John,
You purchased a pair of insane Peruvians a couple years back. I remember you putting up a post saying that you paid top dollar for them. You purchased them as adults. They were big beafy animals with amazing contrast. They had that real "old school" look to them and had to be one of the nicest pairs I've seen. What ever happened to those animals?----RON

Check out the previous post I put up - it's a question for you.

If you are talking about the Big Counts Pair in the Rubbermaid, they were sold and the female passed away on the buyer a couple of years later. If you are talking about this smaller pair on the porch railing they were sold to a buddy of mine in the Mid-West and are doing well......John J

Yeah, I was talking about the pair on the railing. Man, are those nice! Glad to hear they're doing well.------RON

Because he's SWEET LOOKING! I would even pair him with an average female but it just so happens he's getting the only female Guyana I have (and he's now the only male Guyana), minus the holdbacks of course.
Here he is:

Pattern shot from when he was younger

Hopefully the pairing turns out well. If not, I may still have access to the male that bred Rose before.
jb
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Jonathan Brady
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That pairing should throw some real smokers!

Thanks for the compliments, Jon. That one was actually one of the more expensive ones. I believe that I paid around $800 beans for it which I thought was still a good deal since the striping is believed to be genetic. I purchased her (BTW it's a female) at the '01 Daytona show from a woman named Cheryl Bott. Cheryl had worked for Ben Seigel who imported a fully striped gravid female from Guyana. The female gave birth to an entire litter of babies which were all striped to varying degrees. Cheryl had 3 at the show and I was lucky enough to grab the nicest one. As far as seeing it before, you've probably seen some of the pics that I've posted over the years. Actually, the pic above is a pic of my animal as a baby. I've seen a number of these boas over the years both younger and older that all came out of Guyana and all had the same very distinctive striping and head pattern. Mike Eckert and Jay McLear both owned animals like this. Coincidence that these animals have all looked so similar? Maybe. But I believe that there might just be a small population of these striped animals somewhere in Guyana and I'm not the only one that thinks this. Who knows for sure. Anyway, here's an updated pic of my female taken last summer. She's put on quite a bit of size. Hopefully, someday I'll be able to find out if her striping is truly genetic (LOL). Peace!------RON

WOW! That animal is friggin amazing!
I, like MANY other people, have noticed how many striped animals come out of Guyana. I think it certainly gives credence to the idea that it's a genetic trait. Interestingly, the striped animals never seem to have a ton of color, but they all have something funky with the tail pattern and that "Y" head stripe.
My pairing last year was my attempt to infuse genetic striping with color as the sire to the Rose litter came from a group of animals born to a WC gravid female and almost all of the babies had aberrancies. Unfortunately (or fortunately, depending on how you see it), the babies I produced ended up with the color and only SLIGHTLY aberrant patterns (much like the Colombian stripe lines). If the striping is a recessive trait like other striped lines, I suppose it might be necessary to breed siblings together to see if the aberrancies would breed true.
Only 2 other people besides me ended up with a sexual pair from that litter, I'll be curious to see if they do it or not.
I'm not sure if anyone else has produced any babies from the litter the sire was born from. If they have, I'd be curious to find out how the babies turned out! Anyone...?? Mike? Adam? I know you guys are MUCH more up to speed than I am. Any word?
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Jonathan Brady
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Nice boa for sure.
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Richard Ceniceros
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John:

That boa is close to perfection in my book.

Thanks so much for sharing her.

Brian
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Brian Gundy

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