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Never breeding Lineaticollis before, she had me worried. She did her pre-egglaid shed 20 days ago. I was starting to get worried she was egg bound. But finally today she did it. I was also worried they would be infertial

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Sweeeeeet. Congrats Jason!!! Randy W.

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TomsSnakes.com

Beautiful Jason! I think I heard they do take longer after shed, but I've never heard of 20 days. Best of luck!
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"Not so tough when you're hit from behind with a golf club are ya?"

I have had a an Alterna take 21 days once. # weeks is long time.

Thanks jason

n/p

fantastic............you guys did it! Hang in there for an extra long incubation time. congrates!

John,
- any good published literature on lineaticollis out there? Unfortunately for me I know next to nothing on western/mexican pits, sorry to say... ( I do have Stull's reprint, if it is in there).

thanks,
daveb

Thanks John

How long is the incubation period on average? I tend to incubate my eggs cooler then most people, I am use to 12 week incubation periods.

Jason

congratulations! those look like some fine eggs. How many did you get?

daveb

HI Dave

She laid 10. She is a small snake for a Lineaticollis.

Jason

Last year the P.l.lineaticollis eggs went 110 days for me and I know that the fellow who originally bred them had similar results.

My smaller unrelated female laid 17 last week and I expect my two big brusier females should lay any day now. They are actually going longer than the typical ten days after pre-egg laying shed for me this year also. Although not 20 days! I think that I might have freaked out and gone to the vet by about day 15 or so. Good job!

The two founder females layed 21 and 32 eggs each of the two years he produced offspring!

notice the tails on the pair in the image. He was relentless this year!

I knew they were related to Subocs, they look like it and the incubation times tell the story! Kidding aside, wow that is long incubation period. Thanks for sharing some insight and info on the guys.

jason

Nice!

I'm jealous,seen no action or signs of gravidity at all from mine.
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Lloyd Heilbrunn

Palm Beach Gardens, Fl.

I didn't see them breed but I know they like to hang out together alot, they spent a lot time in the hide box together.

Did you cool yours? Its still early in the year, you never know. Hopefully they come around.

jason

No,I did not cool as I normally do, in a winecooler to 50-55 since it was posted here that it is not needed.

I did put them in a cooler room with the window open, hoping to get it into the 60s during our "winter", but it was an exceptionally warm winter, and it was usually low 70s in the room and only hit 60s once or twice!

Did you cool yours?
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Lloyd Heilbrunn

Palm Beach Gardens, Fl.

Yeah I cooled them to mid to upper 50s. They did just fine being cooled.

I heard that some people didn't cool there's and still got good eggs.
Who knows whats right or wrong. I dont think there is a right or wrong way to cycle them, just do what ever works you.

jason

To cool or not too cool......

Ok, I may sound like a broken record and yeah, maybe it does not matter if they get cooled but here is my experience.

I cooled my unrelated female for a number of years(typical Colubrid style 50's w/total darkness) and introduced her to proven males in the Spring without sucess for three years! I might add that I had to jump start her feeding each Spring after cooling with inj. vitamin B complex to get her to eat.

The year that I did not cool her she became gravid. Now I am not saying that she did not get a cool seasonal cycle, rather that I modeled my husbandry to match the wild experience where these guys occur.......Cool nights as low as the 50's but warm days into the 70's and a heat tape for a hot spot but only on during the day. I fed them a bit less but did continue to feed through the cool season. They also had access to seasonal fluctuating day length natural light.

Do what works for you however keep in mind that the wild populations do not brumate but rather remain active year round!

Take it for what it is worth, and post if you have contradictory experiences with breeding this species for comparison.

Jason, you mentioned she is small for a lineaticollis. How big is she?

--Glenn

about 5'. I guess that small compaired to her parents.

jason

>>about 5'. I guess that small compaired to her parents.
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>>jason

Yours cannot be older than four y/o. The founders were 7 or 8 the first year they went. I do not believe they were hibernated. Just kept at 7oF with a hot spot.

Ours were cooled in my not so protected garage so they experienced temp changes. So far so good. We have eggs cooking.

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