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This is an 07 Ultra Lavender

Stephen, you sure can cook. Just before Daytona, let me give you my cell # so you can find me.

Don
South Mountain Reptiles

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Good to see you around Steve. I see you still have some hot looking animals. I hope all is well with you. Mike Panichi
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MIKE!!! No way! How are you? Good to see you here. Are you still out of the hobby ?
Steve R.

Hey I hoped you'd remember me. I'm still in it, just not with the corns. I have a nice collection of mostly central american boas and a nice collection of locality based north american Milks(pales, reds and central plains. Its good to see you putting out the good stuff still, LOL. Please keep in touch. Mike Panichi CORNS@OPTONLINE.NET
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.....I kept 2.3 of them from last year......one female is really dark and more purple-ish than the others......the ultramel opal is too light , hopefully it gets some color as it grows.....

I have 20 eggs cookin' right now with hopefully a bunch more lavs and opals in it......

good luck.......
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That's awesome good luck to you. I should have 8 clutches if all goes well. I also have some Ultramel Lavs, I'll get pics soon.

ok......

I thought it was an ultramel lav......now I see it says ultra lav

how did you get an ultra lav as opposed to an ultramel lav>????

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ultramel opal is too light , hopefully it gets some color as it grows.....

You can't have ultramel or ultra opals.. Not genetically posible, you are eithier going to have an ultra based animal or an amel based animal..

I am looking forward to seeing some of them first hand this year at Stephen W's.. Wonder if I can spot the difference myself..

Regards.. Tim of T and J

........ok...well......I can see where ultramel opal wouldn't work out maybe ,,but ultra opal is possible..?.....all it would be is an opal that is part grey rat.....

?......so..I have ultramel lavs and an opal from the same clutch.........

...... it all started with an ultra......from waaaay back before any of you probably heard of an ultra......

......bred a lav fem het amel to ultra male then bred ultramel son het lav to the lav female het amel / mother........

//////........I got ultramels and ultramel lavs and an opal....

........has to be something......and if cremecicle people call them cremes or rootbeers even if there is just 1/10000% emoryi mixed in it then it has to be called something more than opal......or opal part grey......

it is pretty much white with no pink.........theoretically ultramel opal (hypo -ish looking.....I'll see what colors develop .....

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aaaaaand.......I have opals from other breedings that were born basically with no color......they had no pink and it actually looked like the saddles /pattern was colorless.....they grew up to be yellow patterned.........I bred one to an ultramel male het lav and one to a snow male to see what happens.......there was/is NO anery in my house......and I just got the snow male this year......so they have to be opals that are yellow....

anyone ever see a yellow opal????

aaaaand there is actually a yellow female opal out there somewhere that the people do not know what they ahve I bet,,,dut to Ian taking off the sticker and just selling a "corn" to someone.........

anyone know who has it......?

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"........ok...well......I can see where ultramel opal wouldn't work out maybe ,,but ultra opal is possible..?.....all it would be is an opal that is part grey rat..... "

If you believe ultramel came from Grey Rat sure.. MHO is not needed on my thoughts about Ultramels here. It is an opal that may have come from a hybrid crossing..

"?......so..I have ultramel lavs and an opal from the same clutch......... "

Yes, that is exactly what you have..

"...... it all started with an ultra......from waaaay back before any of you probably heard of an ultra...... "

Actually one of the founders of the Ultra gene posts here from time to time, even though I have not been doing this very long, I know ultra genetics goes back at least a decade..

"......bred a lav fem het amel to ultra male then bred ultramel son het lav to the lav female het amel / mother........ "

Pretty close to what we might expect...

"//////........I got ultramels and ultramel lavs and an opal.... "

You definantly have an ultramel then...

"........has to be something......and if cremecicle people call them cremes or rootbeers even if there is just 1/10000% emoryi mixed in it then it has to be called something more than opal......or opal part grey...... "

Its a snake * trying to make light of things so please don't get offended by my dry with/homour..

"it is pretty much white with no pink.........theoretically ultramel opal (hypo -ish looking.....I'll see what colors develop ..... "

Its an opal more than likely..

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"aaaaaand.......I have opals from other breedings that were born basically with no color......they had no pink and it actually looked like the saddles /pattern was colorless.....they grew up to be yellow patterned.........I bred one to an ultramel male het lav and one to a snow male to see what happens.......there was/is NO anery in my house......and I just got the snow male this year......so they have to be opals that are yellow.... "

Opals can be very light coloured and almost patternless, so I am not suprised at what your stating.. Should be intresting to see your results of the snow to the ultramel breeding.. Should have 50% normals, and 50% ultramels I think.. Someone please correct me if I figured this wrong in me head..

"anyone ever see a yellow opal????

aaaaand there is actually a yellow female opal out there somewhere that the people do not know what they ahve I bet,,,dut to Ian taking off the sticker and just selling a "corn" to someone......... "

Nope, I don't get to see many opals..

"anyone know who has it......? "

Beats me, but I would think some of the top guns on the board here have such a critter..

Regards.. Tim of T and J

I got two of Jeff's Ultramel het Lavender and yes two years ago I did get an Ultra or Ultramel Lavender. I'll have to get a recent picture tonight and post it.
Anyway, last year I bred the the two Ultramel Het Lav together with the hope of getting more Ultramel Lav's. I didn't. I didn't even get an Ultramel. I did get a bundch of Ultras.

In order to get ultramel lavenders you would need to breed an ultramel het lavender or homo to an Opal.. Ultramels in the allelle consits of one ultra gene and one amel gene.. Ultras on that allelle would be ultra gene and ultra gene... Unless I have gotten myself confused, that sounds about right to me..

If you bred two ultramels het lavender, your going to get a bunch of ultras and some ultra lavenders..

Regards.. Tim of T and J

What am I missing? When you breed together two Ultramels, each contributes an amel or an ultra gene to the offspring. The expected results are in the ratio of 1:1:2 - Ultra:Amel:Ultramel.
The problem is identifying if you have an Ultra or an Ultramel.

Here are the expected offspring of two Ultramel het Lavs:

Phenotype only:

3/16 Amel
3/16 Ultra
6/16 Ultramel
1/16 Opal
2/16 Ultramel Lav
1/16 Ultra Lav

Nope, you have pinned the expected progy down .. I am not fortunante enough to crunch the numbers in my head, but what you have posted is probably pretty accurate what you would get..

Lavender Ultramel X Lavender Ultramel supposed to net you..

1/2 Lavender Ultramel
1/4 Lavender Ultra
1/4 Lavender Amelanistic ( Opals )

courtousy of http://www.kornnatterlexikon.de/index.php?action=6
Regards.. Tim of T and J