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cinderellawkids Apr 28, 2008 08:47 AM

I want to thank you all for your help in either responses to me and/or others. I do have the book on Savannah monitors by Bennett as well as one by Bayless.

Im a new monitor owner having my 16 inch Savannah only 2 weeks.
When we got him he was temporarily in a 20 gallon long set up, but 5 days ago he was moved to a 90 gallon set up that 48 inches long.

Temperatures are all still correct, but suddenly the scared monitor who hunched down and closed his eyes when we replaced water, scooped waste ect has changed personalitities to this whipping biting monster who will even charge from the opposite side of the cage.

My question is if I continue with my routine and cleaning his enclosure, ect and respecting him will he likely calm down in time to tolerate me, is this normal when in new settings?

Im curious cause my wrists, covered in whip marks are sore and my coworkers are going to start wondering about my home life... (jk)
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1.0.0 YBS
1.2.0 RES
1.0.0 red belly cooter
1.0.0 Fire belly toad
0.0.1 Savannah Monitor
0.1.0 Leopard Gecko
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Replies (14)

robyn@ProExotics Apr 28, 2008 11:00 AM

acclimating to a new cage takes time, but it sounds like a safety and security issue for the monitor. i would guess that you need some, or much better, hide spots.
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HappyHillbilly Apr 28, 2008 12:14 PM

Ahh, yes, now you have a monitor.

Remember what I said in an earlier thread:
"Your sav may go thru a personality change a week or so after you stop touching it & trying to get close to it. It may very well seem to turn meaner than a wolverine and appear aggressive, but it'll actually be acting defensively, not aggressively. Give it it's space, it will settle down over time by you just being in it's presence fairly often, not in it's face."

It's cage is it's territory, and it's gonna defend it. Respect it & it's territory by not getting close enough to get tail-whipped if at all possible. Slow, steady, deliberate movemet is the key. If it's too close to the water bowl when you need to change it, try to lure it away from it rather than encroaching upon the sav.

It will take a few months or so but it will eventually realize what you're doing (meeting it's needs) and allow you to do it. One "petting" session will set it back and could take months to undo. Patience is a virtue.

At that size it's gonna have a big feeding response to where it will most likely think it's gonna get fed every time you open the cage. In it's eyes, what comes in it's space, at the moment, is either food or a threat.

Be sure to keep the majority of the top covered with aluminum foil, plastic, or something to hold humidity in. If it frequently soaks in it's water bowl it's telling you that the humidity is too low in the cage.

If you're handy, or knows someone that is, here's a link to a DIY aquarium top that retains humidity quite well & is fairly simple to make. DIY Aquarium Top

Hang in there!
HH
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cinderellawkids Apr 28, 2008 03:42 PM

Thanks very much. I had forgotten that you said that would happen.

I have a blanket over the lid on one side to keep heat in, but ill switch that with plastic, actually I have a glass canopy that can fit on the lip of the terrarium under the screen cover that would also be a possibility. Ill work on getting the humidity up.

Ill be patient and refrain from touching him
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1.0.0 YBS
1.2.0 RES
1.0.0 red belly cooter
1.0.0 Fire belly toad
0.0.1 Savannah Monitor
0.1.0 Leopard Gecko
cats, dog, ferret, rats and hamsters

phantompoo Apr 28, 2008 10:22 PM

that cage top is nice...but if you are good with tools and machining plastics or glass this is much faster/prettier (IMO)
If you've never worked with acrylic, then don't do this on your own. Get someone with experience, it will save you money.

http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2984108180094048412oDOCyV

no, all that crap on top is just there cuz the room was a mess and is not needed (unless you're housing a snake). In fact, it fits quite snuggly into the lip of the aquarium top.

I used acrylic there, but I'm sure there are better things (acrylic is slightly affected by heat and moisture and can bow over time).

tpalopoli Apr 30, 2008 04:22 AM

hahahha - I love this story. Good on you brotha - now you have a monitor acting like a monitor - now just follow up with the correct husbandry and he could have a nice life.

Monitors are certainly a very entertaining species - fricken nuts when either really hot, afraid, angry or hungry - and it gets really crazy if all four are going on at once (oh you know what I mean - oops hahaa). Good thing they dont have a means to scream cuss words because I think they would be doing it quite often (WHO THE F*&K YOU LOOKIN AT? HUH? WANT SOME??).

Tom

cinderellawkids Apr 30, 2008 08:10 AM

Haha, thanks. Today is mouse feeding day and this morning he was practically doing back flips at the top of the cage. I had to laugh.

When I watch him through the glass he no longer hisses but glares at me, like go away or Ill hurt you.
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1.0.0 YBS
1.2.0 RES
1.0.0 red belly cooter
1.0.0 Fire belly toad
0.0.1 Savannah Monitor
0.1.0 Leopard Gecko
cats, dog, ferret, rats and hamsters

SHvar Apr 30, 2008 10:23 AM

Feeding day with my 4ft flaviargus can be lots of fun, its not safe to attempt to hold a camera or Id video it. Usually he flies through the air and slams into the plexiglas door(as Im trying to open it), then runs up the surface biting to get to the food. His head domes out, his neck, and 2 legs sometimes before I can stop him. Usually I squeeze the food around the door fast on a long pair of hemostats, he takes the food at 2-3 ft in the air.
Sobek is always pretty good at eating (my 6ft 8 inch albigularis), she doesnt require much safety measures. I wouldnt suggest this unless you know your monitor very very well, but many times I hand feed her.
The red ackies eat from a long pair of hemostats (too skittish otherwise), they leap after rat pups, sometimes their own body length off of the ground.
Definitely no comparing them to any domesticated animals.

FR Apr 30, 2008 10:21 AM

Monitors are like many other animals.

In this case monitors, claim territory. Monitors first move is to fine and secure shelter. It really doesn't matter if its in a cage or outside. For instance, if you go catch a wild monitor and take it out of its know area, then release it, it will FIRST, try and find a hole or hollow to go in. It will stay there until it feels safe to leave, it will then find another and another. It will increase its area, by going from safe spot to safe spot. if its harassed of course it will remember which of these safe shelters are closest and go there. They are expert at remembering this.

In your cage, there is no safe spot. That is, there is no area with it can hide totally out of sight and safe. You do offer a hide of sorts. So of course it will use that. But please do not consider its need is taken care of. Of course its not.

They need to feel safe, not like a one legged ground squirrel can dig them up.

So now you offer something barely useable, but its very close to the door and you are moving all around that shelter, the one it cannot really hide it, and you wonder why it becomes all defensive. It has too do that, or go comatose, which is the other option monitors do.

To me this subject is so very very sad, the poor monitor is just trying to do what it does naturally. Only in your cage it cannot do it. Its stuck being halfway safe(poor shelter) IT has two choices, give up(go comatose) or protect itself. This should not be a wonder. I think we were all(???) taught this in basic biology, you know, The fight or flight syndrone. Only in this case, there is no where to take flight too. So back to the two options. fight or give up.

The good part is, you gave it enough to offer some ray of hope to the monitor. The bad part is, its not enough.

Again, its so sad to me that folks do not understand how to tame a monitor. Its easy, give a safe place, you know a burrow or hollow where it can feel completely safe, then give it reason to trust you. Once it trusts you on its own accord, you have actually accomplished something. This is normally done with positive reinforcement, that is, food. First train the monitor to find food in one corner, then progress from there to eating from your hand, then up your arm, then on your shoulder, then about the room, then the dang thing learns this whole deal is fun and safe. Ok, it sounds simple and it can be, but of course monitors are individuals and some are more difficult then others. This is where your patience is tested.

With monitors, negative reinforcement usually ends up with a dead short lived monitor. And that is backed up by millions of examples. Causing them to become comatose has indeed resulted in death over even short periods of time.

The reality is, monitors are very insecure. They are also high strung. Yet they are trusting and curious. They also have an unfailing memory. Don't offend them, do offer them benefit. They will remember. The trusting and curious part is your key, work in that area and you WILL SUCCEED. Cheers

FR Apr 30, 2008 01:30 PM

The issue of building trust is very important, in this pic, the subject is a wild lizard, I have worked on gaining her trust(she is a she and gravid now) I did this since she was just hatched, actually I did this with her mother for eight years(she died in nature last year)

I watched both choose mates, breed, lay eggs and all manner of their natural behavior, I have much of this on film.

The point is, you can gain their trust, you can then bond with them. Both this girl and her mother spend hours upon hours watching me work in my shop. They appear happy to sit next to me and just watch.

I took this pic today, I was working on some metal, when I dropped a screw, and out she popped to see if it was something to eat. I do worry about them eating screws or me stepping on them, came close on both counts.

Then she sat by my feet and moved into the sun, then back in the shade patiently. So I went and got her some crickets. In this pic, I sat on the concrete and she climbs up in my lap and takes crickets. She also takes pinkies too.

Again the key is to gain trust and not offend them. No lizard likes to be held, particularly when they feel they are not in control. Once they trust you, you can indeed hold them. With monitors, once they trust you, you can throw them around, manhandle them and they do not give a flying hoot. But again, its all about trust and repetition.

I hopes this helps you. Oh, from your posts, I will mention this, do not get crazy over extremes. Like, oh it whipped me, or oh, today it ate out of my hands. Like with any trade of speciality, its all about repetition.

Please get your monitor a place it can call home. Cheers

FR Apr 30, 2008 01:31 PM

swilson86 Apr 30, 2008 09:14 PM

i have actually done the same thing with a blue belly that lives on my porch. i can actually get him to come over and climb up on my hand and sometimes sit on my legs, much like the picture you have here. i did it by reinforcing his trust with food.

FR Apr 30, 2008 10:57 PM

And how much fan is that???? to me, its tons of fun to gain the trust of a wild animal. And theres no fear they will attack the neighbors children. Cheers

swilson86 May 01, 2008 02:46 AM

honestly? it beats herping! sometimes he would actually catch me by surprise by nipping at my toes as i'd move them around reading a book on the porch. it was actually one of the best experiences of my life with an animal. and i'm using the same method with my black throat monitor and it's working, slowly but surely. i don't know how comfortable i'd be with hand feeding, though. as his feeding response is similar to an argus!

cinderellawkids May 01, 2008 08:55 AM

I wont get crazy over extremes anymore. His hide, hides him completely, and I have the humidity at 30% now and holding. I am working with trust, years ago I had been able to get wild fawns and a few chipmunks to trust me so Ill handle things similar with him.

Your picture is amazing, thanks
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1.0.0 YBS
1.2.0 RES
1.0.0 red belly cooter
1.0.0 Fire belly toad
0.0.1 Savannah Monitor
0.1.0 Leopard Gecko
cats, dog, ferret, rats and hamsters

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