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but, since I'm learning, I'll ask anyway. Since the guy I got these two cornsnakes from barely had a clue about them as it was, I won't be able to tell if these two are het for anything unless I breed them at some point, right? He told me that he researched enough to find out that the bigger guy is an Okeetee (only going by color) and the smaller one is just a normal kingsnake. I notice a lot of silver on the smaller one and started thinking about the Miami phase, but I think he has too much brown amid the silver to be a Miami.

What do you guys think?

Okeetee:

Normal:

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Holly

0.1 Lavender California Kingsnake (Lizzie Borden) (missing )
1.0 Florida Kingsnake (Eddie Gein)
0.0.1 Okeetee Cornsnake
0.0.1 Cornsnake
1.0 Bearded Dragon (Charley Manson)
1.0 Orange Marmalade Cat (Oliver)
1.0 Black Cat (Shadowfax)
1.0 Egyptian Arabian (Bagan) (Deceased )
1.0 Tennessee Walking Horse (Durango)

2.0 Toddlers (Justice & Trevor)

>>but, since I'm learning, I'll ask anyway. Since the guy I got these two cornsnakes from barely had a clue about them as it was, I won't be able to tell if these two are het for anything unless I breed them at some point, right? He told me that he researched enough to find out that the bigger guy is an Okeetee (only going by color) and the smaller one is just a normal kingsnake. I notice a lot of silver on the smaller one and started thinking about the Miami phase, but I think he has too much brown amid the silver to be a Miami.
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>>What do you guys think?
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I would personally consider them two normals at opposite ends of the spectrum.

To me, the first one looks like your typical captive bred normal while thge smaller one looks more like a wild type normal.
Just the way they look to me.
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Why the difference in the wild vs captive normals? I've noticed that, too. Is it just a result of line breeding vs natural selection in localities?

Nothing. Captive bred normals are simply the offspring of wild, non-morph snakes. Miami corns have a particular "look" as do Okeetee corns.

While these "looks" may have originated from particular localities, snakes with orange backgrounds, thick black saddle borders and red saddles are often marketed as "Okeetees," irregeardless of their origin.

Snakes with a grey or silver background and red blotches are marketed as "Miamis."

Tim

Damn Tim! My thoughts also! Jeff

Natural selection selects for different characteristics than we do. Many of our normals are byproducts of morph projects with little to no regard to pattern, but often have been fairly heavily influenced by the lines we find visually stunning.
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They're both normals - not Okeetees or Miamis. There's no way of knowing if the snakes are hets, unless you know their genetic history. Even breeding them togather won't necessarily give you all the answers: if one is het for amel and the other het for anery, all the babies would look normal.

If they both happened to be het for the same trait, then you'd get 25% of the offspring expressing the trait that the parents' are het for.

Tim

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