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Did you do your part? Did YOU ?

boaphile Apr 30, 2008 03:01 PM

Cross posted with the permission of Kingsnake:

Did you do your responsibility and respond to the inquiry sent out on the federal register regarding the "Injurious Wildlife Species; Review of Information Concerning Constrictor Snakes From Python, Boa, and Eunectes genera," dated 31 January 2008?

Did you? Today is the final day. To date only about 1200 have responded. This is a pathetic percentage of the people involved in our business. I know this is a minimal percentage of the people involved, because I have more than twice this many customers who have made purchases from me. I'm sure TONS of people involved in this enterprise have never purchased anything from me.

This particular first step at limiting our ability to keep, breed and sell Boas and Pythons is almost certainly doomed to failure. At least this first battle that is. But what many of you apparently do not get is this IS a shot across the bow. This is a way for those intent on bringing this hobby down to see what they are up against. And the fact that most of you sat back and did absolutely nothing, gives them encouragement and shows the government who is going to be harmed and or offended by making any changes to our ability to keep, breed and sell our Boas and Pythons.

The animal rights nuts are not going away. They are only going to position themselves so their attempts are as effective as possible. They do not have a leg to stand on when it comes to the science. However, they have willing accomplices to lie and deceive. They have come to ridiculous anti-scientific conclusions as is evidenced by the maps that Gordon Rodda and his cartoonist friends came up with. The Burmese Pythons now thriving in the Everglades, have not and will not even make it out of the state of Florida. They are not adapted to environments other than what they can find in the Everglades. Northern Florida is just too cold in the winter time. They will not move North without dying of respiratory problems. This is easy to scientifically prove and thankfully we have legit scientist types working on this issue on our behalf. A bit more than a week ago the Washington Post ran an article, on the front page, that was devoid of scientific facts and loaded with propaganda to scare the masses. This is a topic perfectly tailored for prime time. It is incumbent on each and every one of us to do what we can. However, this is essentially a political fight that will be fought on many fronts. The Scientific battle is perhaps the easiest one in my estimation and we will win. However, this is not going to come down to calm heads looking at the facts and coming to a logical conclusion. This is far more than that. The public relations tug of war is one heavily weighed against us already. There is a giant on the other side with that robe tied around his massive waist, and it's going to take not only our scientific contributors, but a concerted effort to educate the public about the reality of what we do. Ideally we need a much more visible presence of what we do in a positive light. Plus we need each and every one of us to participate in every specific part of this engagement. This is your responsibility. Yours and mine!

The political portion of this fight is what DEMANDS YOUR participation! We and YOU must be active in our efforts to prevent any limitation of our ability to keep, breed and sell these animals. This will not just take care of itself. This effort will be stronger WITH YOUR participation and support than it will without it. I personally have already spent a great deal of effort and money getting geared up to make a difference. Many have made far more of a specific contribution in time and money to fighting this fight than I have. There is going to be a greater effort, the specifics of which will be forthcoming very shortly. We are ALL in this together. We need every singe individual to participate at some level.

I personally would like to extend my gratitude to the following who have made tremendous efforts above and far beyond the call of duty on our behalf. Bob Ashley, David and Tracy Barker, Jeff Barringer, Bill Brandt, Brian Potter, Louis Sangermano, Andrew Wyatt and PIJAC. I would also like to thank each individual who had a part if the meeting in Chicago where the start of a movement to help protect each of us occurred about a month ago. I perceive those folks and each person who responds to the Inquiry as having done me and my family a personal favor and as such, I am grateful. Thank you. Most people are not aware of what is being done on the behalf of each and every one of us. Your participation is not only needed, but in my view, something each one should feel a compelling obligation to engage in.

Jeff Barringer has put together a great detailed instructional page on how to respond. Please, please please do this. Yes, it will take some time and effort to digest and complete. But each one must do their part. This is the earliest stages of a struggle that is not going to go away. We must be conscience of this fact and do the right thing. This is exactly the same as ignoring mites you find in one cage. Sure it's not a problem really, right? But mark my words, if we do not mount an effort to protect ourselves, we will not be protected. Sure it may take a long time for this to happen, but we need to stop this in it's tracks in exactly the same way as you can't let mites get out of hand. The sky is not falling today. I am not trying to be an alarmist about this. However, each of us make sure it doesn't.

The following is a link to the detailed instructions that kingsnake.com has posted which PIJAC has written for each one of us:

Kingsnake Instructions for a reply to Fish and Wildlife

There is strength in numbers. If you have not completed the survey or sent your information previously to PIJAC as I did, please please please do this today.
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Replies (7)

bobclark Apr 30, 2008 04:25 PM

Please give some thought to your comment. Many of our people have said things along the lines of "please don't take my snake, he's a good snake". Its important to mention question the ability of pythons and boas to live in temperate climates. The natural range of Boa constrictor comes to within 100 miles of the southern US border. Why didn't they go all the way to Colorado? They've certainly had enough time to make the move. Why haven't Burmese pythons moved into the subtropical and temperate areas adjacent to their current range? Why don't they already live in half of China? Many factors determine where animals live not just temperature.

Most of the data Rodda used when determining temperature tolerances of Burmese pythons was actually taken from the Indian Python in southern Pakistan. The Indian python is an endangered species and is not represented at all in the pet trade. Burmese pythons don't live in areas that freeze.

Rodda told me that Burmese pythons will hibernate in cold climates. He has no data to support this position. In temperate climates would the warm season be long enough for the snakes to complete their breeding cycle? Rodda claims the snakes could establish populations in places like Oklahoma and Virgina. If they survived the winter I doubt they could reproduce. He says they are "highly adaptable". What's the basis for this statement?

Read the comments. There are many people against us. There is a link from the front page of the Humane Society's website to the comment page. These people have flooded the system with their comments. Most of them think no one should keep a snake for a pet. They say captive snakes are mistreated and snakes deserve to be free! This has nothing to do with the information that USFWS is seeking but that didn't keep hundreds of their people from commenting.

Anyway, do what you can do. Do it today.

Tracy Barker Apr 30, 2008 06:51 PM

I can only echo what Jeff has said that everyone needs to write these letters! Jeff B has announced this daily and there has been a good amount of effort put forth by a lot of people to get the information out there! Please click on the kingsnake links, or on the link below to get the info you need to get this done today! Please be aware this does only affect "Big" pythons and boas! Ball pythons are included in this NOI. Additional papers citing carpet pythons, green tree pythons, rainbow boas etc have been published proposing them as "potential" invasive species thus candidates for this type of listing. Even if you just work with Colubrids, native species, are prime targets for increased regulation. Thanks to all for getting the message out there. Tracy and Dave
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Tracy Barker Apr 30, 2008 08:46 PM

Please be aware THIS DOES NOT ONLY AFFECT "Big" pythons and boas! Ball pythons are included in this NOI. Additional papers citing carpet pythons, green tree pythons, rainbow boas etc have been published proposing them as "potential" invasive species thus candidates for this type of listing. Even if you just work with Colubrids, native species, are prime targets for increased regulation. Thanks to all for getting the message out there. Tracy and Dave

spatt02 May 08, 2008 02:51 PM

Here's an idea - How about emphasizing the fact that jumbo python breeders and keepers need to be RESPONSIBLE, and they bear the brunt of the RESPONSIBILITY. All the emphasis is on writing these letters and very little to NONE on the GIANT elephant in the room - jumbo pythons have brought us to this crossroads! Why are we continuing to produce thousands of retics & burms a years if The Man is breathing down our necks regarding these SPECIFIC pythons?! In addition to worrying about what the government is looking into, how bout we clean up our own house? PUT PRESSURE ON THOSE WHO HAVE GOTTEN US HERE ! If this ship sinks, it will be the results of the actions of big python breeders & dealers - they need to step up and take responsibility NOW.

Sincerely,
Shea Peterson

sebring May 08, 2008 04:16 PM

I agree 100% Shea.....if they stop being produced and sold to anyone with $100, the hobby will be MUCH better off. The big pythons are going to be what get's us all in trouble, even though I only keep small pythons species. We need to wise up as a group.

HappyHillbilly May 10, 2008 06:34 PM

So, you think it's right to punish the majority of keepers for the actions of a few? The majority of large constrictor keepers are responsible. We only hear about the handful of irresponsible ones.

"We need to wise up as a group."

I agree, so let's start right here: It's not the snakes that are causing problems, it's a handful of keepers. These keepers don't frequent these types of forums. We have to educate the general public, not halt or limit breeding. Let's wise up.

Have a good one!
HH
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GrotesqueBurgess May 09, 2008 12:58 PM

Apparantly I have been out of the loop too long.
I followed the links from this page to the kingsnake instructions page.
I read the instuctions and it says to answer two or more of the questions, and then it lists the questions (are these all of them?).
As a regular and novice keeper, not a dealer or owner of any sort of reptile related buisness, I find myself without anything to contribute to these questions.
Did I not read them correctly, or are they pretty much asking for scientific answers about things like "How will releasing of these species affect the native populations?" --not a direct quote, BTW.
I'm just a college student with ONE burmese python. Did I miss the questions that pertain to the things I would know?
Or is it something even more simple: I didn't read it well enough?

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