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I never gave this one any thought before. She produced hypo lavs for me last year so I assumed she was het hypo and lav. But now that I actually LOOK at her she seems to have the hypo traits. Funny how I never paid attention to this before. What do you guys think?
No black checkering

greatly reduced black pigment

seems to be a little brighter than most normals

Looks hypo to me.
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>>I never gave this one any thought before. She produced hypo lavs for me last year so I assumed she was het hypo and lav. But now that I actually LOOK at her she seems to have the hypo traits. Funny how I never paid attention to this before. What do you guys think?
>>No black checkering
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>>greatly reduced black pigment
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>>seems to be a little brighter than most normals
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The belly would lead me to belive hypo.
No black checkers
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>>The belly would lead me to belive hypo.
>>No black checkers
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Since we are talking hypo I thought I would ask about mine as well. I had assumed this guy was hypo, but it never hurts to get other opinions.

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DLWise
Marion, NY

Hmmm,.....I definitely don't see any dark pigment bordering any of the blotches,....but the main background of the entire dorsum has a pretty dark overtone to it, along with the wild-type looking longitudinal stripes. From the photo it's pretty hard to tell if its a darker red, or a certain amount of dark melanin suffusion within the rest of the red that's giving it that overall darkish cast.

Was it super clean as a hatchling, or did you just acquire it recently?

I think the term hypo might be sort of a stretch for that one, but you can easily prove it out positively with breeding it to another normal type hypo(hypo A?)....in any case, nice snake!

best regards, ~Doug
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I think that would help out alot here,...because looking at it again,..it seems sort of borderline, the head chevroning, and postocular striping in addition to the other pics, could make a big difference here too. put some other crisp shots in there if you could too please, that will help too.

take care!, ~Doug



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"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!"

Doug,
I hope these help. The darker background color is what had me questioning as well. This guy was my very first snake and I don't have pictures of him as a hatchling but he did have more black that has faded over time. . If the weather cooperates I'm planning to try and take some shots outside in better light but for now I tried to get better head shots and included another pic I had taken previously. Thanks for the help!!

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DLWise
Marion, NY

Well,...if all else was equal, I'd say it could very well be, but the wide dark longitudinal lines going down it just doesn't go down to well for it to be a hypo. know what I mean?, Ive seen the look many times before, but not on a hypo.

Just breed it to a ghost or a type A hypo, and see what you get,....but going by face value alone even though the blotches are borderless, etc... I just have trouble calling it a hypo.

Tell you what,...get a magnifying glass, and a good light source, if you see a bunch of dusty looking dark paintspray flecks in the scales of the background, you can scratch the hypo thing......but hey, enjoy it, and breed it to see what gives anyway?

take care, ~Doug

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"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!"

Thanks!!
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DLWise
Marion, NY

Cool lookin snake,looks like an Everglades rat with red saddles ,(Im not saying its that )
its interesting that the stripes are more prominant in the red saddles
and the sadddles are not bordered
it could be hypo type 203..J/k..LOL.Chris

That's a hypo all day long in my book!,...sure there's some dark pigment here and there, but it sure is greatly reduced too, hypo doesn't necessarily mean that the melanin WITHIN the cells(melanocytes) of the pattern has to be reduced to a grayish, opaque coloration, it can also be either, or both, meaning it can be typically dark too, but it must be an extreme absence of what would typically be there normally.

Applegate hypo pyro's would be a good example, they also have very dark scales here and there too, but they are few and far between. A HUGE difference from what a normal pyro would have.

nice animal BTW!

~Doug
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