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Hey all, I'm about to start my first breeding/ investment project and wanted any advice. I've kept boa constrictors before and that's what I want to start with. My goal is to produce sunglows. I figure I should start with a albino kahl female 08, hopefully pay less than $600. Then since there is not much rush, raise her and within a year have the $ for a sunglow male, hopefully less than 1k. The sunglow's hypo is co-dom and I should produce half sunglows and half albinos. What do you think? I know that by the time i produce any they might drop in price to around $800.

>>Hey all, I'm about to start my first breeding/ investment project and wanted any advice. I've kept boa constrictors before and that's what I want to start with. My goal is to produce sunglows. I figure I should start with a albino kahl female 08, hopefully pay less than $600. Then since there is not much rush, raise her and within a year have the $ for a sunglow male, hopefully less than 1k. The sunglow's hypo is co-dom and I should produce half sunglows and half albinos. What do you think? I know that by the time i produce any they might drop in price to around $800.

Those 2 will be a good choice. If you can find a super sunglow, that would be better.
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Monty Montalbo
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Some people don't recommend breeding an albino x albino due to 2 recessive genes. I don't have hard facts on that, but it's something to consider.

According to the g'wiz you will get 50% Albino and 50% Sunglow.

albino to albino has thrown litters of slugs at a higher rate and has produced more deformities from being a weak gene. My opinion it isnt worth the risk. you can get a female het albino cheaper and older right now then get a sunglow to breed it to.

In my opinion people that breed for those results are trying to get money and dont really care about the animal itself. Its nice to get the morph, is it worth the risk?

Also, I do know some people have had lots of deformities from het to het breedings as well and you can slug out on normals. I am simply saying it is higher risk by doing it with albinos.
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Actually by the time you breed them they will probably be around $400, but if thats the animals you really enjoy working with, the $$ shouldnt make that much difference. I think things get cut in half in 3 years. So if you are planning a business plan, plan on 1/2 of the animals you are planing on breeding actually breeding and figure the price of the offspring will be 1/3-1/2 of what the market is when you start.
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John Kielbasa

I don't know if I agree with that. I think when a morph is new it will definitely fall in price, as more people breed them, but not by 50% every two years or so. I don't think you will find the average price of an albino to be $250 in two years. All new morphs find their "true" price sooner or later, but I don't think all prices fall by half every 2 years.

I also think sunglows will always be less available than say, albinos. I think the sunglow price will settle out about $800-$900. Not that you can't find a great deal here and there, but I'm talking averages.

Just my opinion of course and I would love to hear others.

thanks all, this is the stuff i was hoping for. So, do most breeders shy away from breeding albino to albino? I think i'm better off with a het female then, and my pocketbook will be happier. I don't mind if the price drops too much, as I am really doing it for the hobby. I've kept regular boas, but (sorry, they're not pretty enough to reproduce : ) . I'm heading to the san diego show in june, are het albino females common at these kinda shows

Hi!
What about a DH sunglow female for now and a male sunglow for later?
You've got het to homozygous breeding and will have more Sunglows than a sunglow to a normal het.
Aaron

You could find Het Albinos at shows like the one in Cali. Another option is a DH Sunglow girl.
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Brandon Nixon

That sounds good. One quick question: sunglow double hets possess the hypo gene, right? So the hypo phase is visible even in heterozygous form. I've been looking at some people selling double hets, but they don't look at all like they possess the hypo gene. Is the hypo het visible?

Here is what a DH Sunglow is:

A Dh Sunglow is the product of an Albino and a Hypo breeding.

Albino x Hypo = Hypos het Albino aka DH Sunglow.

Hypos could in theory be called het for super hypo but that just gets people confused.

Hypo x Hypo produces: 25% normal 50% hypo and 25% super hypo

het x het produces: 25% normal 50% het and 25% homozygous...

see very similar. The only difference is sadly you can only guess as to which are Super Hypo and which are just Hypo...its luck really unless you breed to known dominant aka super hypo animals to one another.
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Brandon Nixon

but the upshot is that you THEORETICALLY get 3/4 of the litter being sunlgows as opposed to 1/2.
If it's a hypo, you'll be able to tell it from a normal. If it's a superhypo, you'll be able to tell it from a normal but not NECESSARILY a regular hypo.
Here's a double het sunglow (hypo het albino) from my posting above. You can see the hypo gene in the pattern and color. This is a normal hypo and not a super.
Good for you for doing your homework before you buy!
It was SO cool to produce a type of snake that I didn’t have before from two that I raised in my collection.
Aaron

Very true Aaron, I got so wound up in trying to explain the Hypo thing. Sunglow x DH Sunglow would be a nice clutch as Aaron mentioned.

Sunglow x DH Sunglow:
12.5% Het. Albino
12.5% Albino
25% Hypo Het Albino aka DH Sunglow
12.5% Super Hypo Het Albino
25% Sunglow
12.5% Super Sunglow

That would be your potential offspring from that pairing.
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Brandon Nixon

Thanks, Brandon, but I gave some bad info.
DH sunglow X sunglow would give the HYPO gene to 3/4 of the litter as opposed to 1/2 the litter, but not all of them would be sunglows. You would have more sunglows than with a het albino, but STATISTICALLY not 3/4 the litter. I think Brandon's breakdown is probably the most accurate. I had the right idea, but I'm a little too tired from giving exams!
Thanks, Brandon, between the TWO of us, we'll get it right, eh?
Either way, dh sunglow x sunglow will give more sunglows than het albino x sunglow.
Aaron

thanks, I think I understand the stats of the two breedings. But what about albino to albino or sunglow to albino? Is it true they are more likely to produce slugs and deformities? What's with this dead-eye thing? Either way, I'm shooting for Female hypo het albino x sunglow male. Thanks, Ruben

Yes they (albino X albino, and sunglow X albino) have more eye deformities, and even some born with one eye. This kahl albino gene has not been outbred enough yet.
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Caden Chapman
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I'm curious,how often have people heard of the
one eyed problem occurring with Sunglow breedings?
I'd think that wouldn't occurr with Sunglows?
..Lar M
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Boas By Klevitz

Why wouldn't it, a sunglow is an albino, just a hypo one. It's still an albino X albino breeding.
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Caden Chapman
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Right more of an outcrossed Albino due to the
Hypo Blood.This is what I'm thinking.That's why I
want to know if many or any have occurred.I honestly
haven't heard of any.The fact that I haven't heard of
any doesn't mean anything though,LOL.I'm hoping to
find out how often its happening? Thanks, Lar M
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Boas By Klevitz

It's no more outcrossing to use a hypo than using any other boa like a normal. Outcrossing doesn't happen in one generation either.
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Caden Chapman
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