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How do you think the lavender albino is going to hold up against the banana ball in the future? I think the price on the lavender is really gonna come down since each strain is not compatable... not to mention the banana is a co-dom. Either way, theyre both really beautiful morphs.

first off they are 2 completely different looks. As babies bananas (coral/whitesmoke) look great and lav albinos look like the best albino ever. However, as they get older, the bananas dull out (at least from all the pics I've seen), and Lav albino's get better and better and develop a bright purple or lavender as they age. Now in my opinion, a snake that looks better as an adult is worth more as they are adults alot longer than they are babies. Perhaps Wil or NERD will post some updated pics of the banana/coral/whitesmoke and disprove the dulling out comment and if I'm wrong I am sorry.

Also you stated that all lines of Lavender albino aren't compatible, what are you basing that statement off of? I know I've never heard of 2 lavenders being bred together and not produce lavenders. Maybe you are confused by thinking lavenders aren't compatible with normal albinos. So in the meantime, no I don't think the lavender albino will drop in price due to any other morph out there. I think it will drop in price just because there are getting to be a few out there and more people will be producing them but it won't be a big drop for several years to come in my opinion.
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Josh & Krysty Hutto
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Its all based on the old supply and demand.....As of know only 2 people have banana's compared to how many lavenders are being produced.Right now the banana is "cornering the market" since only veeeeeeeeeeeeeeeery few have them.

"However, as they get older, the bananas dull out (at least from all the pics I've seen), and Lav albino's get better and better and develop a bright purple or lavender as they age."

---I havent heard anything about bananas dulling out... but then again, ive never seen an adult banana. So unless someone post pictures of growth like youve said most of us would never know.

"Also you stated that all lines of Lavender albino aren't compatible, what are you basing that statement off of?"

--Im not sure were I read this. Sometimes the internet can help/hurt someone trying to learn... esp if someone post wrong info.

To set the record straight. To date ALL lavender strains have proven COMPATIBLE in EVERY instance where crosses have been attempted. There have been NO instances to date where lavenders have proven incompatible. I know first hand of 6 different lavender strains that have proven compatible and within the next 45 days expect to prove two additional strains compatible (eggs currently in the incubator).
As far as which is better, I think that the co-dom Banana/Whitesmoke and the simple recessive Lavenders are both awesome top shelf morphs that everyone has to appreciate.
Grant

I have seen several adult lavender albinos, and one 1000 gram banana...IMO: NO CONTEST!!!

if you took 10,000 people off the street and put ANYTHING (except a pied morph) alongside a HQ adult lav, i would be very suprised if more than 5% picked the non-lav morph...adult banana included! pink, purple & pumpkin hues will beat out flamey yellows, oranges and hypo anything in most people's eyes no contest! animals are just not supposed to be purple and pink! yellow, jet black, brown, orange etc., maybe, but NOT PURPLE AND PINK! the fact that they just get better and better instead of worse and worse only adds to their supremacy! lol!

Not all lavenders are that pretty. many look like darker colored albinos.

Have you seen Lavenders in person? I have 2.1 myself and several normal Albinos as well. Lavenders look NOTHING like normal Albinos...Lavenders GLOW.

Joe.

Yes. I have seen many. Some lavenders are great colored. Some suck. Just like every other mutation not all are the same. As I said, some have great color and some look like dark albinos. Some are bright yellow and deep purple while others are yellow and white and just differ slightly from an albino. The banana also has a vast genetic advantage on the lavender and they really should not even be compared because of the fact that the banana is dominant. Almost no bananas have been produced (about a dozen) compared to lavenders and there are still more combo morphs of banana. Not to mention that right now you can buy lavenders at a price ratio of about 10-15 to one banana. When lavenders are $3000 this season people will realize how many of them are out there and how many hets people are sitting on and that they are not very rare or hard to obtain and that will help to make the banana look more desirable if you believe in this comparrison.

"The banana also has a vast genetic advantage on the lavender and they really should not even be compared because of the fact that the banana is dominant."

i agree 110%! there is no way any simple recessive can stack up against the long and short term advantage that dominant morphs have proliferation-wise! pins, lessers, spiders, and just about all the other codoms came long after pieds, clowns, and stripes and yet the codoms flew right past them and are all WAY cheaper now! talk about the fall of rome?

interesting fact: despite coming along 6 years AFTER pieds, 4 years AFTER clowns, and two years AFTER lavs, i know of bumblebees that sold for $45,000 5 years ago in '03...now they are cheaper than pieds, clowns, AND LAVS! Proliferation-wise: Dominant morphs ROCK!!!

now that there are male bananas coming online, i wonder how long it will take them to blow right past lavs? since there are so many older banana females out there, it shouldnt be long before a nice stable of homozygous banana males are out there working hard i cant wait because i want an banana so bad i cant stand it! if bumblebees can go from $45,000 to $500 in 5 years, I might be able to afford a banana faster than i think! hooray!!!

It's called artificial pricing. Those days are gone. I doubt anyone is going to pay that for dominant gene animals these days. No offense, they are awesome looking snakes, but these are different times.
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oh! if you find a breeder selling lavs for ANYTHING anywhere near $3000 you better email/call me asap!! lol! that would be amazing if they were cheaper than clowns this year, but i dont wanna get my hopes up

Between you and me -- I'd be surprised if clowns stay about $2K this year. I don't think the LA have been out quite long enough to see a considerable drop - I think they have one more year before saturation - but yeah - they are out there now and in the very near future they'll drop like house flies after a visit from the Orkin man.
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Tosha
JET Pythons

I don't believe some of the prices in previous posts of this tread are quite accurate. I really don't see '08 Lavs selling for $3000 when the '07s are at $8000. How often does a simple recessive morph take a more than 50% price plunge in one season? And I don't know what kind of Bumblebees you buy for $500.

hack...i agree with you! sorry bout my missprint..i meant $1500 not "$500" in my above post

i also agree with you about the longevity of lav prices...heck, the vast majority of breeders have never even seen an adult lav in person yet!!! just wait until more people do! also, for many years the early breeders of the lav project made double het crosses instead of more lavs...the project has far less of a presence than it should for being around since '01...i think it is actually far rarer than some hype it up to be??? just call all the biggest breeders of the lav project and see how many homozygous they have for sale right now lol!

also, the breeders fortunate enough to be currently working with the project paid dearly for their animals two to three years ago, and are probably not gonna be so quick to blow out the animals they produce based on all the hype about the "billions of lavs out there" because "everyone has them now" and they are "as ubiquitous as pastels and yellowbellies" chatter lol! also, since these same people have adult lavs, and know how incomparable they are to everything else in their extensive collections, they probably are not in too big a hurry to let babies go to begin with?? those who have never even seen an adult lav probably have an easier time fathoming significant price drops.

all im saying is, this isnt just another hot new codom! we are talking about the rarest, most beautiful of all SIMPLE RECESSIVES here...those of us who are excited about the prospects of waiting for lavs to get under $1500 like bumblebees are currently at, may be waiting around for a very LONG TIME lol! heck...pieds have been around 4 years longer than lavs, and were bred a lot more focussed than lavs were in the early days, they are not even down there retail yet?

"heck...pieds have been around 4 years longer than lavs, and were bred a lot more focussed than lavs were in the early days, they are not even down there retail yet?"

Pieds have been available since 97. They have been around since the late 80s or early 90s. I'm not exactly sure, but I don't think lavs have been around nearly as long.
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LAs have already taken a 50% plus plunge since 07. Unfortunately you can't really compare them to the release of albinos and pieds because it's a completely different market now - at this point there are a lot of people out there that are working with LAs - enough that in the next year or so we are going to see a saturation and the price will come down to a level where there are as many buyers as there are animals at that point it will even off. Add to that the likelihood that we'll also be seeing LAs het for other morphs also hitting the market as pretty stiff competition - which is where the higher $$$ value will lie - this is really what seems to be killing the base morph value.

Just my 2 cents - probably isnt worth a whole lot in todays economy.
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Tosha
JET Pythons

And don't forget that due to so many dishonest people in the past, the het market is absolute garbage. And if you do not have a name established you will not ever sell your het lavenders for anything worthwhile so many will be stuck raising the het girls and selling the worthless het males as normals to the pet trade as so many people do now with other recessive projects.

I had an 07 clown female on the classifieds on this site months ago at 300 grams for $2900 and it did not sell.

Most of the bananas produced to this day are combos, not just bananas. That makes it a unique project right there. By the way, you must be slow, you could have bought a lavender this year for $5000. There will be plenty this year cheap you just may not get that price. But if you would like I would be happy to buy one and sell it to you.

you seem to be implying that only Wil has bananas. You must remember that NERD proved out the whitesmoke/coral in 2002 and almost everyone who has seen them both agree that they are the same morph but from different bloodlines. Also with that said, it is a co-dom morph with males in existance that can be bred to many different females. I'm sure the 2 main keepers of this project are going to keep a tight wrap as long as they can but the truth is once other people have them the control is out of their hands (guess what other people do have them). Yes the price is higher on them now but it won't be for long, co-doms just reproduce themselves too quickly. Even if someone buys a single female she can be breeding in a year and a half.
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Josh & Krysty Hutto
J&K Reptiles

Various Ball Pythons, boas, dogs, cats, fish, an amel tiger retic female, a couple sulcatas and a few other odds and ends.

a BAD dog is MADE not bred, support the American Pit Bull Terrier as the greatest breed of dogs on Earth!!!!!

There are 2 males that are less than a year old. There are then about 10-12 females. Kevin and Will actually both think what they have are not the same animal at all so I am not sure where you found that they were accepted as the same thing. And again, a large percentage of the bananas out there are pastel bananas and clown bananas, already combo morphs.

Those males are older then that.. I think its more like 2 years old. I like the Coral glow better . I just like all the deffernt colors they have.. Way out of my price range.. I also think they are the same.. Beleave half of what You hear and all of what You see.

Van
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cheapest i've seen them go for was $7k

Pitoon

LA ofcourse

Pitoon

The simple fact that the Whitesmoke is a codom means that the Lavendar is a much better investmenst. The price of both is high now, but the Whitesmoke/banana will drop far faster and end up lower.

that aside, I like the looks of the Lavendar a bit better as well.....
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