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Hello all, any assistance is appreciated. I want to enter my first breeding project. Ultimately I want to produce sunglows. I'm going to buy my first female soon. I should have the $ to purchase two albinos to breed, or albinoXsunglow. But I've heard this can have some bad results : high slug rate and deformities. My question: How many of you have actually bred unrelated albinos and had less than favorable results? Should I just stick with the DH x sunglow? Again, they would be unrelated. Please, any advice is welcome. Thanks,

I myself would like to know about Sunglow to Albino breedings.
I wouldn't think that pairing would result in any or many bad outcomes.I'm curious how mony people have experienced problems with a Sunglow X Albino pairing? Lar M
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Boas By Klevitz

IMO you should just get whatever type of boa you like the looks of the most... that way no matter what, you will be satisfied with your purchase. These are live animals and getting viable babies is never a guarantee, as you can see from some of the posts on this forum.

Speaking from my own experience regarding breeding albinos since that is what you are asking about: I bred a female albino to a male het albino in 2002, the female was 4 years old and quite large (which may have had something to do with it). The resulting litter in '03 consisted of 18 premature babies (and I think 2 slugs). 8 were albino still borns all with very bad kinks. 10 alive consisted of 5 albinos and 5 hets, of those only 4 survived (2 albinos and 2 hets). Luckily none had the dreaded one-eye but still, the still borns were all badly kinked. I know this is not albino x albino, I was just trying to illustrate that there can be some deformed babies born in any albino breeding, it's always a chance you take with the albino (weak) gene. I also personally feel the problems resulted from her being powerfed (before I got her) and I bred her too early. The het may have been related, I am not sure. She hasn't been bred since as I worked to get her in good shape and to drop her fatty reserves over the past few years.

Good luck with whatever you decide to do, I hope this didn't come across as a rant.. it's hot here in the bay area and I'm a little cranky.
-April
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'There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."' -Rainshadow

I have breed Albino x albino in 06 and again this year. And this was the results..

2006 litter - 6 live, 5 slugs, 2 stillbirth, one bad eye! Now this was her first year. she was 3 years old 6 foot.

2008 litter - 29 live, 2 slugs and one snake with two bad eyes.

I was discouraged at first with the pairing but a whole lot of people before me have done it with good results. The biggest issue with albino x albino pairings is risk of a few with dead eyes. But for me 2 out of 35 is not bad. Besides I have had non albino snakes produce blind babies too.
So just do what you want. A dh would be a lot cheaper, but you won't get an all albino litter.
Just remember to have fun and be patient!!
matt
bodaciousboas

bad eye animals pop up frequently in het to het, alb to het, and alb to alb litters. I dont think it is necessarily linked soley to homozygous x homozygous albino litters.

breeding.

27 healthy babies.

It's possible that the majority of those claiming albino x albino is somehow worse than other albino breedings are doing it based purely upon speculation.

>>I had great results from a sunglow x alb
>>breeding.

>>27 healthy babies.

>>It's possible that the majority of those claiming albino x
>>albino is somehow worse than other albino breedings are doing
>>it based purely upon speculation

Thanks Ryan ,this is a good answer.It seems possible that much of
what is said maybe just B.S..Not based on real results or
experiences with Albino breedings.
. . . . . . . . Lar M

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Boas By Klevitz

Buy a "pair of animals from a breeder. Most of the time the are sibs. Breeding albino siblings is a BAD IDEA. One eye anaimals kinks and high still birth rate are some examples.
But breeding a unrelated (differnt breeder with different stock) pair of albinos tends to be OK.

My 2 CENTS

Michael T
Boas Etc

So how about an albino to another recessive gene, such as the snow or moonglow? Would those pairings more likely produce defects or would these defects just pop up randomly in any albino breeding?

I think what everyone is saying definitely what
I'm saying is unrelated Albino pairings of any
kind can have great results.Albino to unrelated
Sunglow,Snow or Moonglow.I know I wanted someone
in fact several people to tell me they had bad luck
with such pairings .No one spoke up, so I take that
to mean you can positively have great results doing
this.
. . . . . . . Lar M
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Boas By Klevitz