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Well this morning has been pretty exciting with my most recent breeding success. One baby is now out of the egg (and absolutely perfect !) with two more to go. I can't believe the colors that these guys are exhibiting at birth !

Here's a photo of a rarely seen, CB, fresh out of the egg Elaphe porphyracea vaillanti

Thanks, Stephen Emerick
(and I'm at home, so it's OK my pants aren't on Glenn

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Outstanding! Congrats Stephen, very impressive. Best of luck with everything. Tom

Congratulations! One of these days I hope (probably 20 years from now) those will be common enough CB to be in my price range. Thanks for the inspiration. Beautiful hatchling!
Lora

of us have never had the privilege to see. That's awesome. So as far as the missing pants, you must have thought you were at home when you were in Daytona. LOL. I wasn't there so I really don't have the right to say anything, but I've had the privilege to meet Glenn and I know something unusual comes up that he shares with us all.

>>Well this morning has been pretty exciting with my most recent breeding success. One baby is now out of the egg (and absolutely perfect !) with two more to go. I can't believe the colors that these guys are exhibiting at birth !
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>>Here's a photo of a rarely seen, CB, fresh out of the egg Elaphe porphyracea vaillanti
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>>Thanks, Stephen Emerick
>>and I'm at home, so it's OK my pants aren't on Glenn
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>>Napa Valley Snakes

Awesome snake!!! Wish you would have had these at Daytona. Ah maybe not then I would have spent too much money!!
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Hope the others hatch out as nice.

Stephen, do you know anything on the origins of these guys? I was checking Schulz and couldn't find anything on "vaillanti". Looks like it's from the "nigrofasciata" group though, probably from southeastern China. What do you think? Know where this name "vaillanti" came from? Thanks.

PS: I did find a reference to vaillanti (Schulz and Helfenberger, 1998) in the Utiger paper. The author of the latest revision also states that it is likely to be a new species eventually.

TC

Terry - I've actually noticed the same interesting photos that you have. My adults (that produced these babies) are very similar to the animals pictured on plate 22 (c & d).

I've requested locality data from my importer, so we'll see what that leads us to

Thanks, Stephen Emerick

Thanks, Stephen. Looks like they're going to be a nice addition to the Asian ratsnake family. Just wish I could keep up with the taxonomy, haha. Later....TC.

>>Terry - I've actually noticed the same interesting photos that you have. My adults (that produced these babies) are very similar to the animals pictured on plate 22 (c & d).
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>>I've requested locality data from my importer, so we'll see what that leads us to
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>>Thanks, Stephen Emerick
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If you go to page 195 of KDS's Monograph, under Elaphe porphyracea nigrofasciata, look at the second synonym, "Simotes vaillanti SAUVAGE, 1877: 107 - Type locality: China. I assume the earlier name Psammophis nigrofasciatus Cantor, 1839 didn't stand up to scrutiny so they moved on to the next oldest naming vaillanti. Or if nigrofasciata is indeed still being used for some snakes then the specimen called vaillanti was different enough from the nigrofasciata specimens to warrant separation.

On KDS's Bushmaster website under the porphyracea gallery he has a nice picture and some distribution info for vaillanti.

By the way, really neat looking snakes. Very cool hatching indeed. You're certainly on the cutting edge.

Good research. That really helps. I think maybe you're right that 'nigrofasciata' is no longer being used. I haven't kept up with this species. I'll keep looking for for the actual changes though.

Could you shoot me the site url for the KDS site? I had it on my old computer, but need to get it on my new one. Thanks again,

Terry

>>If you go to page 195 of KDS's Monograph, under Elaphe porphyracea nigrofasciata, look at the second synonym, "Simotes vaillanti SAUVAGE, 1877: 107 - Type locality: China. I assume the earlier name Psammophis nigrofasciatus Cantor, 1839 didn't stand up to scrutiny so they moved on to the next oldest naming vaillanti. Or if nigrofasciata is indeed still being used for some snakes then the specimen called vaillanti was different enough from the nigrofasciata specimens to warrant separation.
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>>On KDS's Bushmaster website under the porphyracea gallery he has a nice picture and some distribution info for vaillanti.
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>>By the way, really neat looking snakes. Very cool hatching indeed. You're certainly on the cutting edge.

He does a great job with that site. He's updated all the genus names to accomodate the latest changes. And his pictures are very cool.

http://www.bushmaster.de/HTML/RatSnake-index.htm

John
Link

I see that the new name is Oreophis porphyraceus vaillanti, one of the Red Mountain Ratsnakes. I didn't see any nigrofasciatus, so that name must have bit the dust. That was the first one I ever saw many years ago. Vaillanti has pretty much the same range according to the info given.

The pictures are very interesting and I see some are from some of our forum participants. I especially liked looking at the Mandarins from Sichuan Province, China and North Vietnam.

>>He does a great job with that site. He's updated all the genus names to accomodate the latest changes. And his pictures are very cool.
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>>http://www.bushmaster.de/HTML/RatSnake-index.htm
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>>John
>>Link

big congrats!
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Truly impressive Steven. Randy W.

>>Well this morning has been pretty exciting with my most recent breeding success. One baby is now out of the egg (and absolutely perfect !) with two more to go. I can't believe the colors that these guys are exhibiting at birth !
>>
>>Here's a photo of a rarely seen, CB, fresh out of the egg Elaphe porphyracea vaillanti
>>
>>Thanks, Stephen Emerick
>>and I'm at home, so it's OK my pants aren't on Glenn
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>>Napa Valley Snakes
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