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Hey guys, this is one of the paradox babies that came from a Tom Burke Hypo het Albino bred to a Tom Burke Sunglow. One question I have is after setting aside the pysical appearance of these guys, gentically speaking, are they Albinos or Normals? Or a Sunglow for that matter? I guess what I'm asking is, if I bred these to "normal" albinos, will I get albinos or will it be all normals het for albino like any other normal to Homo breeding? Or, will they act like het for Albino? Thanks for any input. Mike Panichi

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thanks for looking. Mike Panichi

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AWESOME! You´re a lucky guy....the first is nice, but the second is omg i can´t find a word for it!!

Congrats!
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That is ONE wicked, evil looking boa, that is one of the
coolest boas I've ever seen...

There both so kool I just can't believe that
2nd one the Albino Paradox,so beautiful. Does
it have a blackish colored line through its eye
as well ?
. . . . . . . . Lar M
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If I had to guess I'd say the first is half albino, and the second is half sunglow.
I dont think anyone can answer your question for certain, my guess would be that it is expressing both normal and albino, kinda like a double het. I think if you bred one of them with an albino, you'd get normals and albino's.
But than again I can only guess.
Congats, they are awesome!
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mike congrats those guys are sick looking. i would think the second one would have a better chance of producing albinos but its only a guess. talk to you soon.
mikey v

In my opinion they would technically be albinos. the first one looks to be hypo for sure the second has the white rings around the tail so Im not sure on that one. Both arestunning animals. The only way to tell whats going on though is to breed them.
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Damn those are cool.

I am not sure that enough is know about the genetics/development of paradoxes to answer your question (like, why are some animals paradox???). My WAG is that it depends on the genotype of the germ cells (sperm/egg). Since they are paradox, there are probably some cells that have a working tyrosinase gene, while others have none. (So, I guess those cells with the working gene are hets since one of the parents was a het.)

That means if the germ cells descend from cells that have a functioning copy of the tyrosinase gene they will make normal and mutant sperm. So, they will be hets. If the germ cells descend from the mutant (albino) cells, they will have no working tyrosinase gene and be like the animals were fully albino. If the germ cells are actually a mixture of those two types, then you will still have animals that produce normal and mutant germ cells, so they will look like hets.

The only way to know is by breeding them to an albino and seeing what the offspring are. Which would just be to damn cool so please do it and let us know what the results are. It may help people figure out what is going on with paradoxes.

Best,
Vinny
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When do you plan on shipping the hypo-ish looking paradox to me? lol.

Very nice litter to say the least, especially the paradox boas!!

Congrats on a beautiful litter!
Ryan DeCaro

I would love to hear more opinions as i just had 2 paradox boas born in my sunglow litter.
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I independently came to the same conclusion as Vinny.

Paul Hollander

I always thought that paradoxes came from pairings where heterozygous and homozygous offspring were expected in the litter(hetxhet or hetxalbino)and the paradoxes either breed as a het albino or an albino. Didn't someone have a paradox that they recently bred to an albino and ended up with all normal offspring?

This type of paradox is a phenotypical Het Albino, just expressing the trait they are Het for. The Barkers had a pretty in-depth article on how it all works on their website at one time, but that was years ago and I don't know if it's still their or not.

That would make sense but a poster (j&jreptiles) posted a pic of a normal litter that he claimed came from a calico x albino pairing. I dont know if the "calico" was a typical paradox like we are used to seeing since there isnt a pic or history of the father. Hey J&J what up?????

The word "Calico" is very subjective, about as worse as a "Pastel". The whole Calico thing was brought about by Burmese and Reticulated Pythons in the early-mid 90's. The original Calico Burmese were typical Paradox Albinos, and the Retics were something else entirely. Though some Calico Retics could also be considered Paradox Albinos. I don't know how or why it was applied to Boas, the few Boas I've seen with the Calico label had random white scales, which could be attributed to nutritional deficiencies or age. Thier is a age attributed gene malfunction ( can't remember the name ) which causes the lucy white scales. It happens with many species and genus's and hasn't proven to be passed on with any frequency. The original definition Calico Retics seem to pass on the Calico trait, so the Calico Retic is something similiar, but different. Confusing isn't it?

I have always wondered that too. With the Albinos that just have some black scales, they are Albino. But with the really crazy ones like yours I am not sure.

Ralph Davis recently posted a video of his "Freak" the Paradox Snow female. She has never reproduced and he thinks she may be sterile. May or may not be the case, and could be the same with boas like yours. Who knows. I guess you'll have to raise them and breed them to find out!
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