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cleaning day

brick1 May 20, 2008 06:10 AM

just 3 pics, and not the best but thought would post. Sneaky Bastard is hiding his head from the camera, and im holding him ready to clean his hide box. And Sasha is on the bed. As i was cleaning today i was realising how much poo you find when you got this many snakes, i cant imagine what it must be like for people that breed burms or retics. Must be horse sized crap!!!




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Dave

2.2 Normal BRBs
0.1 Anery BRB
2.1 66% poss het anery BRB
1.1 het hypo BRB

Paid for, but stuck in europe somewhere hope to get from next german show
1.0 Anery BRB
0.1 66% poss het anery BRB
2.5 66% poss het new european line hypo

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rainbowsrus May 20, 2008 11:18 AM

Welcome to the world of multiple poopin machines!!!!

Cleaning "Day", I thought that was every day!!!!!
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
26.49 BRB
20.21 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

aanata1 May 20, 2008 10:55 PM

Me too. I do feel like I'm the snake servant sometimes... But I love it none-the-less!

ReneeValois May 20, 2008 10:14 PM

I love the shot of the BRB being held---we simultaneously see both the top and side patterns, the nice rainbow shimmer, and also get a pretty nifty size-gauge (compared to the hands). Lovely BRB!
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Renee

2.0 amel & anery corns (Foxfire & Daguerre)
1.0 BRB (Loki)

FRoberts May 21, 2008 01:07 AM

Nice shots and snakes. Having kept rock,tic,and burms I have to say they can really go both solid and liquid. I have seen a retic personaly pee enough to saturate the entire floor area of a 6 foot vision cage lol...and crap longer then my arm as well.

I prefer the smaller snakes that use their water bowls lol.

I have been keeping larger python types since the 80's and recently gave them all to a friend of mine and am concentrating on smaller pythons.boas.and colubrids, but still have some smaller pythons that will get large eventually.

>>just 3 pics, and not the best but thought would post. Sneaky Bastard is hiding his head from the camera, and im holding him ready to clean his hide box. And Sasha is on the bed. As i was cleaning today i was realising how much poo you find when you got this many snakes, i cant imagine what it must be like for people that breed burms or retics. Must be horse sized crap!!!
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>>Dave
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>>2.2 Normal BRBs
>>0.1 Anery BRB
>>2.1 66% poss het anery BRB
>>1.1 het hypo BRB
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>>Paid for, but stuck in europe somewhere hope to get from next german show
>>1.0 Anery BRB
>>0.1 66% poss het anery BRB
>>2.5 66% poss het new european line hypo
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Roberts Realm Of Reptile Research
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Thanks,

Frank Roberts

I opened my mouth and out flowed a melody black.

ReneeValois May 21, 2008 06:28 AM

So how much poop does a blood python put out, Frank? That's my next purchase, as soon as the new ones hatch out.
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Renee

2.0 amel & anery corns (Foxfire & Daguerre)
1.0 BRB (Loki)

FRoberts May 21, 2008 06:41 AM

LOL,

I would say comparable to an adult BRB just a bit larger when they are adults.

I have two very nice blood pythons.

Both where purchased as Sumatran "Red" Bloods and grew into yellow and chocolate phased ones

>>So how much poop does a blood python put out, Frank? That's my next purchase, as soon as the new ones hatch out.
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>>Renee
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>>2.0 amel & anery corns (Foxfire & Daguerre)
>>1.0 BRB (Loki)
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Roberts Realm Of Reptile Research
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Thanks,

Frank Roberts

I opened my mouth and out flowed a melody black.

ReneeValois May 21, 2008 08:22 AM

Thanks for the feces reply; that's reassuring.

I understand bloods can change color quite dramatically as they grow. How similar is a snake's ultimate color generally to that of photos of the parents (i.e. if they're both pretty red normals)? Is it best to also ask to see photos of previous offspring? (Not that yellow and brown short-tails aren't also lovely, but I'm hoping for red...)

Any other advice on bloods---or things you wish you knew before you got yours?

Thanks a ton!
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Renee

2.0 amel & anery corns (Foxfire & Daguerre)
1.0 BRB (Loki)

FRoberts May 21, 2008 09:24 AM

The chances are better if both parents are red in color. But that is not a guarantee of adult coloration. But that would be the best way of getting a "red" one for certain. At times when they are imported they all look the same as neonates.

I think the colors are inheritable but most Sumatrans carry the genes for all 3 color phases.

With this being said I would strongly suggest getting babies from the brightest red parents you can find and this will greatly increase the odds of the ontogenetic color change landing in your favor.

While I was shopping for a red one I wasn't upset with what I ended up getting except for one of them being improperly sexed and me having 2 males which will make me eventually get a female.

So next time I will buy from a breeder with bright red parents so maybe I can get 1 of each color.

They where fairly aggressive as neonates (doesn't bother me) but as they got older and more used to me their aggression subsided.

Snakes are not "mean" as one finds in people. Their aggression is based on what they perceive to be a threat of some kind (i.e.. predation). So once they loose that fear, the aggression goes away along with it.

Both my adults can easily be handled, they still huff and puff a little when first startled, but that it.

They where little buggers as neonates though. Never seemed to get tired of biting me.

They tamed with little to no handling, just getting used to my presence around them broke their behavior patterns all together in regards to biting me. Therefore I believe most snakes with an aggressive reputation can be tamed in this manner even without a regular handling schedule as people often tout as a way of taming a snake.

I have been studying aggression in Reptiles and Amphibians for over 25 years.

I must say I procured many many nasty snakes because people didn't want them. Only had one Python reticulatus that would not calm down in the early 80's. I do however attribute this to feeding him a wild squirrel that almost killed him when he was like 2.5 feet long and I was 12 years old at the time. Yes my first Python was a reticulated python at age 11.

Back then no one kept those snakes except for 2 other people I knew. I was working in a pet store at the time and ordered him cause the owners son whom was 18 had one and I had to get one out of some kind of man boy envy I guess. plus as a young reptile freak, it was the "largest python" in the world as well.

Needless to say he topped out at 14 feet and lived 14 years as he was killed by the same 18 year old's adult female in 1995.

We didn't get as pair to breed them or anything, just fate had it that was.

He sired 96 babies in that first clutch, the female was over 25 feet long and laid many small eggs. Most peoples retic's lay 30 to 35 eggs and that's it. His female was the ones you read about in books that lay 100 eggs.

Enough blabbing about that.

Blood Pythons are a pleasure to own and work with and do not deserve the reputation that has been tagged onto them by the herp and science community.

I am sure from working with wild caught adults that this is where that reputation came from.

With the captive breeding of this species going on these days, one can procure a neonate that may be tame already.

If not they still tame down in the manner I stated as long as they become accustomed to your presence and loose that instinctual fear that helps them survive in a wild ecosystem where such behavior is essential to their ultimate survival in the web of life and the cycle of nature.

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Roberts Realm Of Reptile Research
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Thanks,

Frank Roberts

I opened my mouth and out flowed a melody black.

ReneeValois May 21, 2008 06:01 PM

Thanks for all the great information! I have read that CB blood pythons tend to be much less aggressive. I'm hoping to get one from Kara or one of the other breeders who frequent the blood python forum on KS. One of them is currently hatching a clutch of eggs from two incredibly red (deep, deep magenta) parents; I'm hoping to get one of those babies. We'll see.

WOW, at 12 you could have been retic food! I love retics. One of my friends in the local herp society has one and they're gorgeous snakes. I love looking at the young ones in the local reptile store. But my husband would never allow me to get a snake that could get that big (he doesn't love snakes); and I'm not sure I'd want to own one that could be truly dangerous to handle.
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Renee

2.0 amel & anery corns (Foxfire & Daguerre)
1.0 BRB (Loki)

FRoberts May 21, 2008 06:07 PM

I was 11 actually, I was a weird kid, my parents never came into my room, I had a caiman as well, my second python was an African rock, then I got s ball python. Always liked the dangerous ones. I just recently got rid of all my larger pythons and am concentrating on smaller stuff...more room...but never stay away from the big ones for long lol

I definitely need a female blood for sure. My two males are sexually mature and drop castings for the last two seasons, but no mates

>>Thanks for all the great information! I have read that CB blood pythons tend to be much less aggressive. I'm hoping to get one from Kara or one of the other breeders who frequent the blood python forum on KS. One of them is currently hatching a clutch of eggs from two incredibly red (deep, deep magenta) parents; I'm hoping to get one of those babies. We'll see.
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>>WOW, at 12 you could have been retic food! I love retics. One of my friends in the local herp society has one and they're gorgeous snakes. I love looking at the young ones in the local reptile store. But my husband would never allow me to get a snake that could get that big (he doesn't love snakes); and I'm not sure I'd want to own one that could be truly dangerous to handle.
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>>Renee
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>>2.0 amel & anery corns (Foxfire & Daguerre)
>>1.0 BRB (Loki)
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Roberts Realm Of Reptile Research
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Thanks,

Frank Roberts

I opened my mouth and out flowed a melody black.

ReneeValois May 21, 2008 09:18 PM

Your parents were remarkably understanding to let you get all those sizable snakes at such a young age! So what different species of snakes do you still currently have (besides bloods and BRB's)? Did you get rid of the larger ones because of space issues? You mentioned wanting to breed the adult bloods; which of your snakes are you actively breeding? (sorry for being so nosy, but I love hearing about other peoples snakes...serpent envy....since I'm limited in what I can get.)
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Renee

2.0 amel & anery corns (Foxfire & Daguerre)
1.0 BRB (Loki)

Jeff Clark May 22, 2008 09:40 AM

I have had Blood Pythons a couple of different times. My first ones were a trio wild caught imports. They were big and mean when I got them but they were pretty easy to tame though they never became completely calm and trust worthy. When untamed Blood Pythons are being handled they will bite and will thrash around and spew crap all over the place. They "bite" at both ends. My first ones grew very large while I had them. They were heavy red impressive looking snakes. A friend made an offer I could not refuse for them and so I sold them. Several years later I got a trio of very red CB babies and raised them up. They were easy to tame when little and made very nice pets. When they were less than 4 feet long they were fairly active and were nice snakes to have in your hands because they would move around some and wrap around your arm to support themselves. Big Blood Pythons are the laziest animals on earth. All of my large Blood Pythons would stay in exactly the same spot and position in a cage for many days, sometimes even longer than a week without moving. When they were large they were heavy to hold and would not wrap to hang on so they had to be supported while being. Tame large ones will not strike or bite but they usually huff when you start to pick them up. Not really any enjoyment at all in handling them. My recomendation for anyone thinking about getting Blood Pythons is to buy babies and raise them up for a couple years and plan to sell them before they reach four feet in length. I have had several Retics over the years and I love them but they become too large to be safe handleable pets. I have never owned one of the mini retics but think some of the smaller Island forms might be ideal pets. I raised and bred Burms for a couple years. They are nice snakes and I liked having them but they too get too big to be safe pets. They also like the Retics require BIG cages. I found that when cleaning cages I would work up a sweat moving the snakes in and out of cages and crawling into the cages to clean. I eventually realized that I was not having much fun with Burms because of all the sweaty work and so I got rid of them. I should also mention that most of the people I know who have kept Burms here in the Savannah area have had problems with chronic respiratory infections with their big Burms. They do great around here until they are about 11 feet long and then they start having health problems. I know some people in other parts of the country do not have these problems. I am slightly curious to know if knowing what I know now compared to what I knew 20 years ago when I had Burms if I could now keep them healthy. Not curious enough to endure the work of keeping them though. If you want a Python that will be a great pet get a Jungle Carpet Python. They are moderate size and easily tamed and are active and nice to handle. They are also pretty snakes and reasonably priced.
Jeff

>>Your parents were remarkably understanding to let you get all those sizable snakes at such a young age! So what different species of snakes do you still currently have (besides bloods and BRB's)? Did you get rid of the larger ones because of space issues? You mentioned wanting to breed the adult bloods; which of your snakes are you actively breeding? (sorry for being so nosy, but I love hearing about other peoples snakes...serpent envy....since I'm limited in what I can get.)
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>>Renee
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>>2.0 amel & anery corns (Foxfire & Daguerre)
>>1.0 BRB (Loki)

ReneeValois May 22, 2008 12:09 PM

Thanks for the input, Jeff!

Is it possible to drape a grown blood python over the shoulders (as many people do with boas), so I wouldn't have to support the weight fully in my hands/arms? I really do like the way they look and my daughter loves them (she calls them the "fat sausage" snakes).

I did think about jungle carpets (they are pretty) but I was hoping for something with a lot more girth than my BRB when fully grown. I thought the carpet pythons were not that much thicker around than BRB's; is that incorrect?

I do a lot of "hands-on" outreach with the local herp society at events where the public gets to come and touch the animals and talk about them. It's a great way to help people come to appreciate snakes (and help them get over fears and misconceptions). It would be nice to bring a breed that's quite a bit different from the two I have now.

Any other thoughts?

Thanks!

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Renee

2.0 amel & anery corns (Foxfire & Daguerre)
1.0 BRB (Loki)

Jeff Clark May 22, 2008 09:03 PM

Renee,
....Yes, you can drape a big Blood Python across your shoulders. Make sure it is totally tame before doing so. Jungle Carpet Pythons are a little thinner bodied than Brazilian Rainbow Boas. Many Jungle Carpets top out around 7 feet long weighing around 6 pounds. The Blood Python might impress people as a VERY different snake but the Jungle Carpet Python might more impress them as a very active and inquisitive snake. I used to do lots of reptile outreach education stuff. I am very nervous about letting the public touch any snake larger than 4 feet long. The very tamest and calm pet snake may at some point be frightened or smell something strange and strike and bite someone. I would hate to have someone who was not a close friend get bitten by a 6 foot boid. The bite would be bloody and messy and people would get VERY excited. This would be the kind of incident that could make a lawyer some money. When I show snakes to strangers I usually have the head end of the snake in my hands so that the only person it can bite is myself. BE VERY CAREFUL SHOWING SNAKES TO THE PUBLIC.
Snakes are great, people suck!
Jeff

>>Thanks for the input, Jeff!
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>>Is it possible to drape a grown blood python over the shoulders (as many people do with boas), so I wouldn't have to support the weight fully in my hands/arms? I really do like the way they look and my daughter loves them (she calls them the "fat sausage" snakes).
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>>I did think about jungle carpets (they are pretty) but I was hoping for something with a lot more girth than my BRB when fully grown. I thought the carpet pythons were not that much thicker around than BRB's; is that incorrect?
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>>I do a lot of "hands-on" outreach with the local herp society at events where the public gets to come and touch the animals and talk about them. It's a great way to help people come to appreciate snakes (and help them get over fears and misconceptions). It would be nice to bring a breed that's quite a bit different from the two I have now.
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>>Any other thoughts?
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>>Thanks!
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>>Renee
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>>2.0 amel & anery corns (Foxfire & Daguerre)
>>1.0 BRB (Loki)

ReneeValois May 22, 2008 09:27 PM

All very good advice, Jeff! We have lots of rules we have to abide by when doing hands-ons through the herp society, including always having full control of the head of the snake (and not letting people touch the animal near the head). I would never bring a nervous snake or one prone to biting to any event with the public, either.

So far I have usually brought my corn snakes---who are super tame and docile. Loki is a great BRB, but I waited for over a year to bring him anywhere so I could judge his character and make sure he was old enough and calm enough to handle it. (He's not quite 3 feet long.) I did finally take him to meet the public recently at the Open House at the University of Minnesota Veterinary School and he did just great.

I would want to be very cautious with a large blood python (and again, keep the head well away from the public)! He would have to be super tame before I took him anywhere. That having been said, members of the MHS regularly do bring large snakes such as boas, Burmese pythons and reticulated pythons to hands-ons, and I haven't heard of any mishaps. (Of course, we do have insurance through the society.)

It's one of the missions of the society to educate the public about herps---which I think is the only way to improve their lot in the wild. If we can get more people to understand and appreciate reptiles and snakes and not mindlessly hate them, we may ultimately convince people they need protection instead of extermination.
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Renee

2.0 amel & anery corns (Foxfire & Daguerre)
1.0 BRB (Loki)

natsamjosh May 22, 2008 09:47 PM

Renee,

I think it's great what you are doing, I applaud you. I think if more snake owners gave presentations (responsibly, of course), the future of the hobby might not be so in doubt. I can personally vouch for what you and Jeff are suggesting as far as controlling the head of the snake. I had a BCI for 9 years, and he was sweet as sugar. The only time he bit me (or even made an attempt) was when I was carrying him around, and switch offed the light. It startled him. It was a quick defensive nip that I didn't even feel, but there was a fair amount of blood. No big deal for me, but with the snake hysteria going on today, if a kid got bit at a school, it would probably make the damn national news!!

Anyway, keep up the good work, and please post some pics of your presentations if you can. It's always neat to see kids interacting with reptiles.

Thanks,
Ed

>>All very good advice, Jeff! We have lots of rules we have to abide by when doing hands-ons through the herp society, including always having full control of the head of the snake (and not letting people touch the animal near the head). I would never bring a nervous snake or one prone to biting to any event with the public, either.
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>>So far I have usually brought my corn snakes---who are super tame and docile. Loki is a great BRB, but I waited for over a year to bring him anywhere so I could judge his character and make sure he was old enough and calm enough to handle it. (He's not quite 3 feet long.) I did finally take him to meet the public recently at the Open House at the University of Minnesota Veterinary School and he did just great.
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>>I would want to be very cautious with a large blood python (and again, keep the head well away from the public)! He would have to be super tame before I took him anywhere. That having been said, members of the MHS regularly do bring large snakes such as boas, Burmese pythons and reticulated pythons to hands-ons, and I haven't heard of any mishaps. (Of course, we do have insurance through the society.)
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>>It's one of the missions of the society to educate the public about herps---which I think is the only way to improve their lot in the wild. If we can get more people to understand and appreciate reptiles and snakes and not mindlessly hate them, we may ultimately convince people they need protection instead of extermination.
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>>Renee
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>>2.0 amel & anery corns (Foxfire & Daguerre)
>>1.0 BRB (Loki)

ReneeValois May 26, 2008 08:35 PM

Thanks for your kind words, Ed!

Our resident herp photographer took some photos of me and Loki at the last hands-on (I know because they were in the monthly newsletter); I'll have to see if I can get copies.
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Renee

2.0 amel & anery corns (Foxfire & Daguerre)
1.0 BRB (Loki)

FRoberts May 22, 2008 02:05 PM

Yeah my parents where great, I was a little nerdy as a kid and liked science a lot and did well in it. Kept me out of trouble.

I currently have BCI, BRB, Dumeril Boas, Yellow Anacondas, Blood Pythons, Ball Pythons, Coastal Carpet Pythons, Jungle Carpet Pythons, Mackloti Pythons, Corn Snakes (Anery and Snow), Eastern Chain King Snake, Texas Rat snakes (Leucistic and Lavender), American Ratsnake SSP., Northern Pine Snakes, Black Pine snakes, Cape Gopher snakes, Northern Snapping Turtles, Spiny Softshell Turtles, African Bullfrogs, and one Emperor Scorpion.

Needed a change for awhile away from the bigger stuff. (I never stay away long, Since 1982 I have not had in my collection some type of larger python for more then 6 months time.)

I am currently breeding Dumeril Boas,Ball Pythons, and various rat snakes. I have bred all the above snakes before in the past except the chain kings, black pines, and cape gopher snakes.

The scorps I bred twice and the turtles and frogs never but someday you never know.

I love all Herptiles. I usually have more amphibians and lizards as well, but none at the moment!!

I still have over 30 snakes, had over 50 before I gave the larger species to a friend.

I am expecting something from my female Dumeril (could be slugs something's coming), a clutch of rat snakes eggs is about to hatch any day now with another expecting to hatch in another month, and I think a female het pied ball is gunna drop a later then expected clutch the first week of June.

Who knows!!!

>>Your parents were remarkably understanding to let you get all those sizable snakes at such a young age! So what different species of snakes do you still currently have (besides bloods and BRB's)? Did you get rid of the larger ones because of space issues? You mentioned wanting to breed the adult bloods; which of your snakes are you actively breeding? (sorry for being so nosy, but I love hearing about other peoples snakes...serpent envy....since I'm limited in what I can get.)
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>>Renee
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>>2.0 amel & anery corns (Foxfire & Daguerre)
>>1.0 BRB (Loki)

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Roberts Realm Of Reptile Research
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Thanks,

Frank Roberts

I opened my mouth and out flowed a melody black.

ReneeValois May 22, 2008 09:36 PM

Wow! That's a spectacular collection, Frank! I wish I could see it (although I have been lucky enough to see photos of some of it). I've always liked the Dumerils; you'll have to post shots of any babies that result!

Does your friend who took the larger snakes particularly specialize in those? (I suppose he's a breeder, or something. Or just snake-crazy like the rest of us.)
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Renee

2.0 amel & anery corns (Foxfire & Daguerre)
1.0 BRB (Loki)

FRoberts May 23, 2008 11:53 AM

>>Does your friend who took the larger snakes particularly specialize in those? (I suppose he's a breeder, or something. Or just snake-crazy like the rest of us.)
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It someone I have known since I was 11, same guy with the retic from the pet store actualy, he already had several big snakes and loved the idea of me giving them to him.

He will breed them for sure.
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Roberts Realm Of Reptile Research
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Thanks,

Frank Roberts

I opened my mouth and out flowed a melody black.

gfx May 22, 2008 12:41 PM

Sasha is so pretty! She looks just like my Chili.

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