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For those using Pancur as a preventative thing. Where are you getting it from and what dosage are you using?

Thanks

Ernie

panacur shouldnt be used as a preventative source against parasites. it is a harsh drug on reptiles and should only be used when a dragon is diagnosed with parasites. dragons, along with many other animals and even humans, carry good bacteria and parasites that help and panacur will kill them.

if you want something to use as a preventative source and it also can be used to kill parasites too, use PARAZAP.

www.parazap.com
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Beach Beardies

2.2. bearded dragons
1.1. Sugar Gliders
0.2. Felines *queen athena and missy*

Beachbeardies,

Thats what I thought but, in talking with a couple of breeders they use a small treatment once every 3-6 months. I was going to use Parazap but, I heard better things about Panacur as a preventative treatment.

Thanks

Ernie

Beach Beardies is right and it would be a bad decision to use Panacur as a preventative. I have used parazap also and recommend it.

Panacur should not be given at all unless prescribed by a qualified reptile vet. It is not a preventative, its a cure for heavy loads of parasites.

It is a harsh drug, even with proper dosages..it can turn a dragon off food, cause it to dehydrate, too much extensive use may upset the gut flora so much proper digestion of food is difficult..it may also help increase the chances of diseases like yellow fungus disease in dragons as well.

Bearded dragons can OD on panacur too, if too heavy a dose is accidentally administered. Parazap is a herbal 'tea' that promotes good gut flora and encourages the body to fight off parasites naturally, instead of using harsh chemicals.

Best way to prevent parasites is to keep dragons in clean environments, housed individually, limit stress and ensure crickets and other insects are from a clean source. Getting a fecal done at least once a year by a vet can help detect parasite flare ups before they become too severe. (twice a year checks are best when possible.)
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PHLdyPayne

Just wanted to let you know that a large well respected and trusted breeder gave me a link.

http://www.beautifuldragons.503xtreme.com/Meds.html#Panacur

I was contacted my vet and she verified the information that I recieved.

200-400 grams .5cc
400-600 grams 1 cc

Since all of my adults are over 500 grams and one of them is over 600 grams it should be easy to determine.

It isn't a full round of treatment or dosage. It is a very light dosing once every 3 months coupled with Achidophilz.

My cages are kept very clean. Everyother week I take everything out and soak in Nolvasan. I steam clean the entire inside of the cage while these are soaking. My dragons are also bathed everyweek. Spotclean everyday. The food cages are just as clean. One of them still caught Pinworms and had an elevated level of Coccidia.

i too also bought panacur from beautiful dragons, but i only use it when i have a dragon with parasites and im told by a vet that they are going to perscribe panacur. i tell the vet i have it already and they just give me the dosage amounts. look for an experiation date though, do not use if expired.

like me and other posters on here have said, panacur is a very harsh drug, it does work well, but it works fast because its so harsh. if you are treating a dragon with parasites, use it giving a dosage a vet recommends, if you are wanting to use anything to prevent parasites, use parazap, no chance of OD, not harsh at all. i even use it on my cats
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Beach Beardies

2.2. bearded dragons
1.1. Sugar Gliders
0.2. Felines *queen athena and missy*

Panacur is prescibed for Pinworms. Albon is prescribed for Coccidia. So Panacur is not the catch all for parasites.

I don't know who you refer to as the "big well respected breeder" but their opinion is just that, their opinion, and they are in the minority. Most breeders only keep their dragons for a few years and then sell them when their prime egg laying years have past. You will find that long term hobbiest actually have as much or better personal experience than most breeders except in regards to genetics (possibly) and the "business" of selling dragons.

Do you take antibiotics regularly yourself as a preventative measure?

Believe me I am torn on which way to go. I have only had issues with parasites once. And that was enough. That is why I started looking around. Several breeders actually use Panacur in low dosages for there breeders and for there babies before they leave.

Can someone point me to the research on the Parazap. And where to buy it? I don't do anything without lots of research and lots of opinions.

And you are right, at this point the breeders are in the minority.

Do I take things personally as a preventative. Yes, vitamins, fiber, etc and I am very rarely sick.

If it seems like I am being ignorant I am not. I am just trying to find the best alternative for me.

Thanks

Ernie

Panacur is auctually quite safe if given to your bearded correctly. I have treated many different species of reptiles with it and never had a problem. I would ask your vet for dose information and what you need to kill a particular parasite. Josh

I have to agree with Josh out of all the Drugs out there Panacur is definitely one of the safest. Its dose range is also quite wide.

Thanks,

Randy
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if youd like info on parazap their website is

www.parazap.com

its also recommended through beautiful dragons and many other reputable breeders.

im not trying to discourage the use of panacur, because i use it myself. i just dont use it for preventative measures, only when i know a dragon has parasites. albon is also a common drug prescribed for different parasites. parazap can also be used to rid and prevent parasites.

good luck with it, thanks for being so open to opinions, there are alot of people on here who ask for others opinions but then dont listen and do what they think is best, even though its not
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Beach Beardies

2.2. bearded dragons
1.1. Sugar Gliders
0.2. Felines *queen athena and missy*

Please don't take this as me being argumenative...My main concern with parazap is that it contains wormwood and how frequently it needs to be used. It may initially knock back parasite populations, but over time, the parasites may build up a resistance bringing everything back to square one. It may also be easier on the beardeds to do 2 rounds of panacur vs. many rounds of parazap. Just my opinion. Thanks for the link. Josh

Heres a link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthelmintic Josh

josh- no worries, i know everyone has their opinions and concerns with all drugs given to animals. i respect your opinions, you have been around alot longer than i have with dragons. i take advice openly from anyone that has been around dragons as long as you have. i do agree it seems to be easier and better to give panacur for a few days vs parazap for 2 weeks. i use them both myself along with albon when needed, i just dont use them unless its clear my dragons have parasites and its given by a vet.

as far as building up immunity, i think any animal can become immune to any drug really.
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Beach Beardies

2.2. bearded dragons
1.1. Sugar Gliders
0.2. Felines *queen athena and missy*

Its not the animal becoming immune to drugs, it is the parasite or bacteria.

The best preventative for parasites is keeping dragons in a clean environment, clean up poop as soon as it is noticed, washing hands between animals, ensuring they have as healthy a diet as possible (plenty of variety of greens, insects, dust with vitamins as needed) good hydration and eliminate stress as much as possible.

As for humans taking extra vitamins, or drinking green tea or other di-oxidants or whatever green tea is suppose to be..its all fad. 99% of the time they don't don't do anything...the only time it is helpful, is when you actually have a deficiency of the vitamin or mineral you are taking. In other words, eat a healthy well balanced diet and get sufficient exercise..won't need extra pills etc.

Best way to avoid being sick is stay away from buildings containing more than 2 people LOL I used to get colds and infections all the time when I worked in a call center...when I started working from home, never became sick anymore....interesting, isn't it? I probably am in worse shape though than I was at the building..because I didn't walk as much, but because I wasn't being exposed to every sick employee due to recycled air....you get the picture.
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PHLdyPayne

ya i meant the parasites, not the dragon, becoming immune. i read that after i posted, sorry.

i too got sick alot when i was working in places full of people, electronics retail, bowling alleys, offices, etc. im currently a stay at home dad and going back to school, ive been sick once in 5 months. pretty good for someone who got strep, broncitous, and pnemonia at least once every couple months
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Beach Beardies

2.2. bearded dragons
1.1. Sugar Gliders
0.2. Felines *queen athena and missy*