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It's been a year since I've been able to photograph them, and I've been wanting to snap a few shots of their present appearances. So here they are, a few photos taken today.

All 100% Sanderson locality that hatched in '06...

A group shot...

And now some individual shots:

an Alterna phase, possible Het Anery male...

a Blair's phase, possible Het Anery female...

and a Blair's phase Anerythristic female.

My wife, Amy, took the 2nd and 3rd photos.

Thanks for looking!

Dusty Rhoads

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I would cut off Jim Dobis' arm with a rusty butter knife to get my hands on that anery!

Great amimals / Great pic!

~ Mike Russo

o yeh????.....i'd slit all ovyouse throts.........yo mikey....wadda do to get dis guy..eh??

I have seen vader so many times i feel like i already own him...

~ Mike Russo

there's a little vader in all of us....(lift leg and...)

That is exceptional, I would say Aaron thinks the same as well!

That Ric Blair has from Doughrty. I know I have seen that stuff at his house its pretty awseome.To bad they are 9 mile north x 9 mile east and not a real close locale.

Awesome clean anery's none the less.

L8r Shannon

Ric told me that they're only 9-mile N., and I believe he said that he caught the parents himself on that same cut.

There are some Black Gap anerys out there...of course, I'm sure you know that. I thought Dave had those? Then again, I'm not as versed in my alterna-lore as some people here (yet).

Did you see them at Ric's house?

DR
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Here's an old post from Ric on the subject. Ric's very much a purist, locality speaking. From what he says or implies here and from what he told me, the Sandersons are pure 9-mile N. DR

Posted by: RIc Blair at Thu Dec 1 18:57:32 2005 [ Report Abuse ] [ Email Message ]

Not enought time has passed to produce large quantities. The black gaps have been aroung the longest, and they have the only hypo's to their credit. They are also the largest in numbers produced, Ala Dan Johnson. I am not sure if the Sanderson's or the Juno's were next as far as anery go's. I don't know of anyone else that has the anery Sanderson's and I have heard of only one person that has the anery Juno. If anyone know's of others I would like to hear about them. The fact that they are locality animals makes it more attractive to me.....Ric Blair

as nine mile North sandersons. I bought them not knowing that they would produce anery's to boot. Neither did Dave from what he has told me. I know of many people that also bought these same animals from Dave as 9 mile Norths. Bob Haase included as well as others. Dave never produced any anery's from these. The mother was wild caught and I eventually obtained her also as he said he lost the founder male. I would never have bought them or even kept them if I would have been told they were 9 x 9's. So if that is the case then I guess someone is saying that Dave D. is untrustworthy. Because it is not me changing any facts. Shannon saw them before and even wanted one of the baby's and never said anything to me when at my house. So is this something that came to light recently. If you are certain about this Shannon I will be giving Dave D. a call. Would like to know more if you are certain. Ric Blair

you get two guesses where the anery gene came from, and the first one doesn't count.
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long before Dave even had gaps from Dan Johnson, if my memory serves me right. Did someone just post an anery recently (last year) that they had caught in Sanderson, and was it not the 9 mile cuts? Give me a call Joe when you get a chance. My cell phone is 801-971-7540. Thanks...Ric
P.S. It would be nice to hear grom you again. I am finally getting back into the breeding (of snakes) and should have a great year.

Shoot me an e-mail and let me know how the albino gentilis project is coming. bbox AT sw DOT rr DOT com

Bryan Box

But I have as long of a history with Dave Doherty as I do you and this is the first time I've heard anything that would suggest that he's been anything but honest with his locale breeding of alterna.

If you've got info that would change my opinion, email it to me.

Troy

I'm not interested in your opinion of Dave, or of me for that matter. I stated my opinion here. Why, did you buy some from him?
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Joe,
I did buy an animal that David produced and have been using him as one of my breeders. If you have any reason to believe that my animal is not pure 9-mile, please shoot me an e-mail. The parents of my male are Dave's wc male that he got from Gerry Salmon and wc female that looks almost identical to the female that I caught there in '93. This snake was supposedly caught by you and a guy named Jose'? Please let me know and thanks.

Only snakes I've bought from Dave are Black Gaps that I know the bloodlines on . . .

But what does that have to do with the price of tea in China or the statement I posted above?

Troy

Ric, I can't remember who told me and it was just hear-say at best.I did see them at your house a long time ago and did want to get into that project as you stated.
They very well could be pure 9 mile norths I really don't know.
Good luck this year and give me a call you big muscle bound freak.

L8r Shannon

>>Here's an old post from Ric on the subject. Ric's very much a purist, locality speaking. From what he says or implies here and from what he told me, the Sandersons are pure 9-mile N. DR
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>>Posted by: RIc Blair at Thu Dec 1 18:57:32 2005 [ Report Abuse ] [ Email Message ]
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>>Not enought time has passed to produce large quantities. The black gaps have been aroung the longest, and they have the only hypo's to their credit. They are also the largest in numbers produced, Ala Dan Johnson. I am not sure if the Sanderson's or the Juno's were next as far as anery go's. I don't know of anyone else that has the anery Sanderson's and I have heard of only one person that has the anery Juno. If anyone know's of others I would like to hear about them. The fact that they are locality animals makes it more attractive to me.....Ric Blair

I've produced some anery 277's for the first time at or around the time Dan produced his Gap's.

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Steve W.

>>I've produced some anery 277's for the first time at or around the time Dan produced his Gap's.
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Steve W.

In on or about 92-93 Dave produced 5 mile North with East sanderson's. He bred them for 2 years and sold them exactly what they were. They were jet black val verde looking animals. Awesome animals. I got a pair. One died and I gave the other away. About 94,95, Dave got a female 9 male from Byron Barnes, that he got from Joe Forks. Dave had a female that he caught, and obtained a male from Gerry Salmon. He produced the 5 x 9's 2 years and for 2 years the 9 miles. I got I believe 6 of the nine miles before the male and a female died. That is how long ago I got the nine mile babies. Way before Dave got anery gaps which was 2003. The nine miles and the 5 x9's do not even look remotely similar. I know without a doubt that they are neither 5 x 9's or bred with gap anery's as the later would be impossible. Ric Blair

I 'll call you tonight.

Dan had already produced anery by 98. The gene was in his collection obviosly prior to that because he hatched the parents (so around 94 or 95). I doubt Dave knew he putting the anery gene when he did it, and if he can't tell what a freaking Hueco Mountain alterna looks like he probably can't tell the difference between a Black Gap, a nine mile, and a hole in the ground.

How he got that snake from Byron is another story,
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one of his original wild caughts was het for anery.....

www.dan-johnson.net/herp/bgp92w0001.html
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It says that the Gap was a juvi when caught in 92. My snakes were produced by adults in 94 - 95. So that is impossible for sure. Next try. Ric
P.S. I have an Xmas that looks like a busy gap or sanderson. It came out of Craig Hodgson stock. I promise if I post it you will never guess xmas in a million years. The siblings are textbook xmas, however gorgeous.

>>My snakes were produced by adults in 94 - 95. So that is impossible for sure. Next try. Ric

The snake Byrom sold to Doherty was caught in 95'. So no Ric, that is not correct.
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OK, so 95-96 then. Long time ago. It could not be the 5 x ? I had a pair. They are 1000% different then the 9 miles I have. The gap situation is impossible looking at the age of the snake captured. Unless you think I would make up a lie. I don't even need the money that bad. This is my hobbie more than anything. It is really very clear to me. He did have a pair besides the female from you. Ric
P.S. I will talk to you later today. All speculation on your part. I have a female boyscout that I got from Andrew Godambe, and he said he got it from you. I cannot believe that this snake is a boyscout. But if it came from you I give it the OK.

I have never sold an alterna to Andrew Godambe in my life. So you'd better check on that snake too.

I'm glad you are sure of those snakes. My opinion that line has Gap blood in it is not based on these anerys and predates this conversation by a good bit of time. My opinion is based on other animals I saw out of that line in another collection.

The appearance of anery just happens to be a very untimely coincidence, or is it? We may never know but unfortunately
for Dave it wouldn't be the first time.

Since this started, I have been contacted by someone that gave me way more information than I needed about those snakes.

They are pretty snakes, but locality is highly suspect.
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Hey guys I am just reading this for the first time now. The male that Ric speaks of is a 9 mile N Sanderson that I caught with Brian Levenson in June 1989 (my first there) that was a very dark and not too pretty alterna morph with brown in the bands. It would rate low on the 1-10 scale. I swapped it to Dave Doherty as he needed to pair a 9 mile female (I forget who from) and since it was the least attractive of my three males from there (w no females) I swapped it to him in about 1991. When he bred his female he got anerythristics on the very first breeding. I saw these offspring in person w Ric while visiting Dave at an ETHS conference get-together tht year or perhaps the next. I recognised them as anerythristics right away maybe even before they became obvious. I have collecting data and photographs of the original male which was the gene carrier. Gerry

to chat and look at snakes. When I got there, Ric told me that he just got off the phone with Dave Dougherty, and that the ones that Ric bought from Dave were reconfirmed that they're pure 9-mile N's.

Ric got a WC female from 9 mi. N plus some F1s. Am I correct in my understanding Ric?

Obviously, I wasn't there when these animals were bred or bought, etc. Just relaying what I was told.

One thing is certain, I've NEVER seen an Anery that looks like Ric's amd the one I got from him, pure locality or no.

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I agree, that is one outstanding looking animal.

L8r Shannon

Dusty, I am very sorry to say that in my opinion that snake is down right ugly and should be put down today OR better yet just send it to me and I will keep it here as a big favor to you!

No need to thank me just call me for my shipping info!

~ Mike Russo

Glad someone here has charity in his heart for ugly snakes.

Some people are just so nice.

DR

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