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So, last year I bred an Oro del Rio (aka Orange) phase male suboc to a Mustard Yellow Blonde and got 1.5 of these 100% Het for a new morph project that I've coined "Strawberry Blondes".

The idea is to breed the orangest adults with the yellowest blondes in hopes of producing some Orange F1s that are Het Blonde. Then, to breed the F1s to get some Blonde-patterned snakes. As you've seen with regular Blondes and Axanthic Blondes, the melanin is washed out of the ground color considerably, and the blonde-patterned snakes are much lighter in color than their H-patterned counterparts. Soooo...the blonde snakes from these F1s will be the first selectively-bred Orange Blondes, or as I've called them, Strawberry Blondes.

Luckily, these first babies turned out nice and orange. So, I'll just have to raise them up, breed them together, and wait for the fabled Strawberry Blonde.

With Orange Subocs, it's so tough to nail the orange color in a photograph. Very agonizing when you're trying to show off your snakes that nearly cause you to squint when you look at them.

If the sun is direct, it washes it out and you see mostly yellow; if it's mostly sunny out but somewhat overcast, the snake looks golden brown with just a tinge of orange. I've pulled it off a few times, when the cosmos part enough to align the stars perfectly so that karma is good enough to reveal the true colors of the elusive Orange...

...or something like that.

Dusty Rhoads
Suboc.com

Nice orange trans-pecos Dusty but I sure never thought I would see trans-pecos headed down the morph road.
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Randy Whittington

Well, if I have anything to do with it...

As they say, everything that is created physically is first created mentally. There are several Suboc morphs that I've been envisioning for years...

There have been Red phase subocs found occasionally on the River Road west of the Big Hill and also in the Davis'. It would be ideal to get a Red phase from the RR, breed with with a Blonde from the w. side of the Big Hill, and make Red Blondes from the River Road. That way, you appease the locality buffs and the morph guys. I'm a bit of a hybrid between those two types. I can sacrifice the integrity of a locality for a cool morph, but if possible, I'd rather have both.

Dusty
Suboc.com

..............whether or not the color of a blonde suboc can be influenced by the color of a normal suboc or vice versa. I tend to think probably not. I'd be interested to here sighthunters opinion on the topic if he is paying attention. Actually, I would be interested in hearing anyones opinion. I'm excluding recessive traits for obvious reasons. Rusty

>>I've often wondered...whether or not the color of a blonde suboc can be influenced by the color of a normal suboc or vice versa.

They DEFINITELY can and do. It's called polygenetics -- in other words, multiple genes are involved. Just like you can make a motley/striped Miami phase Corn snake, you can make an Orange Blonde suboc. It's the exact same concept.

Remember, although the homozygous Blonde recessive trait indirectly effects the intensity of melanin (and thus color), it is first and foremost, a pattern morph. Any color alteration is secondary.

The first step for making Orange Blondes has already happened. All that now needs to occur is breeding the orange-colored hets for blonde back to each other. The orange color is already there, so that will be the basic color of the F2s, regardless of pattern.

In fact, the Blonde F2s should intensify the Orange color, just as the silver is intensified in Silver Blondes, and the orange blotches of Albinos is intensified in Albino Blondes.

Dusty R.

Suboc.com

Dusty, are there pics of the red subocs in your book? Or do you have one to throw out for the dogs, lol?
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Todd Hughes

>>Dusty, are there pics of the red subocs in your book? Or do you have one to throw out for the dogs, lol?
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>>Todd Hughes

Yeah, there's one in the book. VERY cool and VERY rare. I'd put in on my site, but there are more MBs in that pic than all of my storage devices put together.

There's one on the site, but the one in the book is WAY better.

DR
Suboc.com

Heheh, cosmic! Looking good Dusty! Wonder how long it will take to lose the H's?
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Todd Hughes

>>Heheh, cosmic! Looking good Dusty! Wonder how long it will take to lose the H's?
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>>Todd Hughes

Uggghhh! Don't ask me that. These are '07s, so another 3 years, probably. Us reptile breeders need to have our heads checked. I'll be a grandpa by the time I make some of these morphs.

DR
Suboc.com

Haha, I already am! Best get crackin'!
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Todd Hughes