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Faux rock instructions?

azhketh May 31, 2008 12:12 AM

I've seen this thread (http://forums.kingsnake.com/view.php?id=1486011,1486194) and looked at the links provided, but are there any other sites out there detailing how to make faux rocks/rock walls? One of the provided links was very helpful, but I'd like to gather as much intel on this subject as I can before trying it myself.

I recently came into possession of a large cabinet, and I'm thinking of converting it into an enclosure. After seeing pics posted here, I'd love to try making a faux rockwall of my own for the enclosure..
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1.0 Okeetee "Spyro"

Replies (11)

Bighurt May 31, 2008 09:20 AM

>>I've seen this thread (http://forums.kingsnake.com/view.php?id=1486011,1486194) and looked at the links provided, but are there any other sites out there detailing how to make faux rocks/rock walls? One of the provided links was very helpful, but I'd like to gather as much intel on this subject as I can before trying it myself.
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>>I recently came into possession of a large cabinet, and I'm thinking of converting it into an enclosure. After seeing pics posted here, I'd love to try making a faux rockwall of my own for the enclosure..
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>>1.0 Okeetee "Spyro"

The list was by no means complete but a collection of links I collected in doing my own research. There are tons of stufff out ther but not all of its good.

I suggest doing some research on your add and posting the results so we can add to the list...

There are a couple of good european sies that I'd sean with great step by step pics and results however I don't have the links nor could I read the instructions...

Good Luck
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tokaysrnice May 31, 2008 11:48 AM

what are you keeping in the enclosure?

azhketh Jun 01, 2008 10:58 PM

Nothing yet. Technically, it's not even an enclosure. (lol) It's a cabinet that I'm planning on converting. I haven't decided what I want to put in it; I've just been looking around at various animals and their care sheets, trying to figure out what I would like and that would find the cabinet an appropriate size.
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1.0 Okeetee "Spyro"

emvee Jun 01, 2008 07:08 PM

This probably won't be the best of instructions but I will go for it anyways. The biggest thing to remember is try doing a few sample boards, take your time and just get the hang of it first before you jump headfirst into a big project because everybody does these things their own way and needs to find a good level for themselves. I tried creating some little faux rock hides and a partial rock wall climb thing first before I made the project that you can see completed with before and after pictures in this link here: forums.kingsnake.com/view.php?id=1461419,1461419

Here is my material list the best I can remember it:
1) 2" Thick Foam Insulation Board
2) Liquid Nails/Silicone
3) Caulking Gun
4) Paint Thinner
5) Paint Brush
6) Razor Blade
7) Clay Scoring Tools/Small Bristled Brush/Etc
8) Sanpaper
9) PolyBlend Sanded Grout(whatever shade you wish)
10) Quikrete Concrete Acrylic Fortifier(powdered prefered)
11) Liquid Or Powder Cement Coloring
12) Non-Toxic Acrylic Paint(you can get this from a craft store)
13) Clear Satin WATER-Based(NOT oil-based) Paint Sealant

With all the materials you use just remember that it needs to both be suitable for the environment(heat/humidity/underwater) and be non-toxic to your pet. If you are unsure about the item you are using and if it is safe, ask that specific question on the forum and see who turns up with what because for a lot of species it seems that this hobby is 10% what you know and 90% what you can still learn. And now to get started.

1) Take your foam board and cut it roughly to the shape you want it, then use the Liquid Nails or Silicone to adhere it to the backboard.

2) Now do a slightly smaller piece a diffent shape and continue to layer it out to your desired thickness adhering each foam board to the one behind it. Create ledges, small hide areas, places for plants if you wish. Just be creative and take a step back to visualize it if you need.

3) Once all of your pieces are in place you can start using the razor blade to cut grooves and shape the details on the rocks. Try dabbing a little paint thinner, but use it VERY sparingly as it takes a few min to start making its mark on the foam. I kept reference pictures of what kind of rocks I wanted it to look like by my side or up on my computer screen. Just work around and make sure you get it to look how you want before you move on to the next step.

4) Prepare your grout. I started with my basic color layer on the bottom. Mix the grout using the Concrete Acrylic Fortifier instead of water. You want your first batch to be runny enough so that it fills in all the gaps. Once you have your first layer of grout down and all the surfaces are covered, prepare your next layer. I prepared my layers in order from my darkest shade to my lightest. You can do however you see fit though. Each layer should be a bit less runny as long as it is thinner than the consistancy of peanut butter you are good. Continue to put down layer after layer letting each one dry before applying the next. Don't rush and do one really thick layer because it will have a much higher tendancy to crack.

5) Now you are on your final layer of grout. When this layer is about the consistency of clay, use the clay scoring tools, small bristle brush, or even toothpick to maintain a natural look to the rock. Just keep that reference picture handy. Use a bit of sanpaper to wear down the layer if you wish. Keep on taking a step back and checking your work.

6) If you are not confident with this step it is ok if you skip it. It is only here incase you wish to add just that little extra touch of realism. If you see spots that need shadowing, now is the time to do it with the acrylic paint. I prefer using the paint dry and just VERY VERY small amounts at a time. Remember that this is not a portrait, you are just trying to shade slightly.

7) Spray/apply several layers of your water-based sealant letting each one dry inbetween. I think I used Polycrylic Water-Based Clear Satin Protective Finish on mine if I remember correctly.

8) Wait a couple weeks before furnishing and introducing your animal.

You Are Done!

Once again though, this was just a guidline of how I did mine and I strongly encourage you to seek out more tutorials and ask SPECIFIC questions about materials before you use them if you are unsure about the safety of that product. This was my solution for Desert Iguanas which require a very dry and hot environment. If you need a more humid environment or need water features you may want to consider asking other people to review your method and flag anything that looks like it won't work for your situation.

Hope This Helps!
-Matt

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0.0.3 Desert Iguanas(Dipsosaurus dorsalis)
1.2.0 Tucson Banded Geckos(Coleonyx variegatus bogerti)
1.0.0 California Alligator Lizards(Elgaria multicarinata multicarinata)
0.0.1 San Diego Gopher Snake(Pituophis catenifer annectens)

azhketh Jun 01, 2008 11:05 PM

Wow, that's beautiful! It looks like an exhibit you might see at a major zoo.

I see I'll have to hurry up and settle on what I want to put in the enclosure so I can decide on the color of the rocks AND on exactly what materials to use. So you think the grout/sealant/etc. is only suited for a very dry environment? I have no plans for getting an animal that requires high humidity/water features. At most, just some light misting, like when my corn is getting ready to shed.

It's a good thing I don't know where you live, I think I'd be tempted to steal your tank. =P And those desert iguanas are cute, I'd never heard of them before. They look comfortable in there.
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1.0 Okeetee "Spyro"

azhketh Jun 01, 2008 11:16 PM

Should have thought of this a minute ago, instead of having to repost, but oh well. Here's a pic of the cabinet. Picked it up for free; nice little deal even though it'll need some fixing up. It's about 3ft. long, 2ft. deep, and 2.5ft. tall (the part that Binx is sitting in, I mean, not overall).

It'll need paint, sealant, ventilation holes, glass doors, etc. But it'll be a fun little project, I think. Something to brag about, if I can pull it off.
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1.0 Okeetee "Spyro"

emvee Jun 02, 2008 01:33 AM

Thank you for the comments
Desert Iguanas are native to the deserts of the southwest U.S. They are by far the most personable lizards I have ever owned.

Thats really cool, especially if you picked that up for free. Just a piece of wood as a substrate dam, a sliding glass door, and some vent holes is going to give you a pretty nice enclosure to start with. Adding a rock wall and building your own enclosure is really rewarding in the end, so I definitely encourage you to keep going on this project. It is so much fun.

I think the method that I described using grout/sealant would work well in a temperate/woodland climate as well. The only climate I am not sure about using this method for is a tropical one. The desert iguanas poo on it quite a lot and it doesn't even seem to leave a stain on the rock after I clean it up, even the runny ones so I am pretty sure the materials I used would hold up very well in a temperate/woodland climate. The cool part is this part

You should put pictures up when you get going on the project. I would love to see what comes of it. The way people design the different habitats is probably one of the coolest parts of this hobby. I'll keep an eye on this post. Let me know if you have any more questions.

-Matt
P.S. is your cat named after the one in that movie Hocus Pocus? lol
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0.0.3 Desert Iguanas(Dipsosaurus dorsalis)
1.2.0 Tucson Banded Geckos(Coleonyx variegatus bogerti)
1.0.0 California Alligator Lizards(Elgaria multicarinata multicarinata)
0.0.1 San Diego Gopher Snake(Pituophis catenifer annectens)

emvee Jun 03, 2008 03:13 PM

Also, give this site a look. It is what I used to get an idea of how I wanted my rock well to look. It may be be of some use for you as well.

www.animalattraction.com.au/component/option,com_virtuemart/page,shop.browse/category_id,53/Itemid,40/

-Matt
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0.0.3 Desert Iguanas(Dipsosaurus dorsalis)
1.2.0 Tucson Banded Geckos(Coleonyx variegatus bogerti)
1.0.0 California Alligator Lizards(Elgaria multicarinata multicarinata)
0.0.1 San Diego Gopher Snake(Pituophis catenifer annectens)

azhketh Jun 07, 2008 11:38 PM

Nice find; bookmarked. There are some nice rock walls on that site.

Yup, I got Binx in October '06; so considering the date and the color of his fur, I named him after the cat in the movie. I always liked that movie, and the name of the cat, so I was glad for the chance to name something "Binx."

And then there's Spyro, named after the dragon from the PSX games. =D
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1.0 Okeetee "Spyro"

emvee Jun 08, 2008 01:03 PM

Yeah, those rock walls are awesome but $$$ Cha CHING $$$! I don't think to many of us reptile owners have that kind of cash.

That's awesome about the cat lol

-Matt
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0.0.3 Desert Iguanas(Dipsosaurus dorsalis)
1.2.0 Tucson Banded Geckos(Coleonyx variegatus bogerti)
1.0.0 California Alligator Lizards(Elgaria multicarinata multicarinata)
0.0.1 San Diego Gopher Snake(Pituophis catenifer annectens)

ACarrell Jul 17, 2008 05:24 PM

You can find complete projects and links to more at www.cichlid-forum.com . These are designed for use in water, but theyre essentially the same thing...generally styro / great stuff with quikrete covering

Heres a better link to the projects section...

http://www.cichlidforum.com/articles/diy_list.php

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