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Here are some pics. I can't believe the green/lab is finally out!

First pic is all of the clutch together. You can see the green/labyrinth stretched across the eggs.

This second pic is of the green/labyrinth by the albino green/labyrinth in the egg.

Ben Rogers

Looks good! Congrats, Ben!

Mike
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Due to political correctness run amuck,
this ol' hillbilly is now referred to as an:
Appalachian American

www.natures-signature.com

Thanks Mike! I'm pretty stoked on this clutch. The albino labs and greens looks pretty cool too. I'll have to get pics of everything after a little while.

Thanks,
Ben

I was in a hurry when I first replied, but I just enlarged the pics in Photoshop and I love the face on that green/lab. Even looks almost like it's got a mohawk. Ha! Ha!

The pic with all the eggs wasn't as clear enlarged as the other one but I did see at least one really nice looking albino lab in there.

Congrats, again, Ben!

The next few weeks should be baby pics galore around here.

Later!
Mike
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Due to political correctness run amuck,
this ol' hillbilly is now referred to as an:
Appalachian American

www.natures-signature.com

Very cool. A big congrats Ben. Thanks for the pic's. I would love to see more, which I'm sure you will post. Thanks
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Education is Everything.......

Congrats, they look great. Can't wait to see them as they get older, should be interesting.

What do adult green granties look like? Anyone got one of those.
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0.2 Rotts
1.0 Super Tiger
1.0 Amel Retic
0.1 Ball Python
0.1 Red Tail
0.1 Blood Python
1.0 Green Ananconda
1.0 Emerald Tree Boa

Here is a pic from Bebos-burms.com

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Brandon Nixon

............Your snakes look great, I was wondering if there is a difference between green/labyrinth and so called `leopard` burmese.
Mike Fearon

Here are some pictures of our green/labyrinth aka leopard burm pair.

The first picture is our female as a baby. This picture was sent to us by you, Ben. She has the exact same pattern as yours only with more lines than spots on the sides, which indicates that ours has more labyrinth influence. Yours has more spots than lines on the sides, which indicates that it has more green influence.

Second picture is our male green/labyrinth aka leopard burm.
He has a very similar pattern to our female.

Last picture is our female as an adult. You can see that this is the same snake by comparing the 3rd spot after her head. It looks like two spots that are barely connected.

These animals were produced in 2004.

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Randy and Michelle
Art In Scales
(719) 439-4199
info@artinscales.com

Nice Randy. Have you produced any of them yet ? I would'nt mind a pair of those in my collection.
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Education is Everything.......

Not yet, she is building follicles though. Hopefully she will ovulate soon.
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Randy and Michelle
Art In Scales
(719) 439-4199
info@artinscales.com

to me. Hopefully you can prove your your female or male out and get this settled for everyone.

I agree the patterns are pretty simular, but I just never really saw the green influence in leopards, which is why I thought/think they weren't green/labs. The spots going down the back of mine is a sold color. Not brown, outlined in black like leopards are and the way normals are. If you recall I have a normal very similar to your leopards and there were only green siblings, no labs. In my mind, the baby I have shows pretty clearly leopards aren't green/labs. If not, then I really have a unique looking leopard.

Also, I would like to add, the guy who first started saying leopards were green/labs claimed to breed two leopards together and got leopards along with greens, and labs in the same clutch. If a leopard really is a homozygous green/lab, and you breed two of them together you will get all leopards.

Here is the pic of my normal het green.

Here are some more pictures of her as a baby. Her spots are solid black not brown and outlined, just like you said yours are.

The outlining comes with age.

You say you don't see the green influence, what color are mine? They definitely have a green coloration to them.

My theory is that we are dealing with two pattern morphs, one is no pattern and one is extreme pattern and they are fighting each other. Sometimes the patternless gene wins and sometimes the labyrinth gene wins and sometimes they meet in the middle to make a leopard, which would explain why there were greens and labyrinths in the same clutch as my pair. The only difference I see between yours and mine is that mine has more horizontal lines on their sides and yours only have a couple of horizontal lines. That's why I said that yours has less labyrinth influence in it than mine do.

I don't understand why you are spliting hairs on this?

BTW, we just ultrasounded our female and her follicles are 26mm, so hopefully we get a clutch this year also.

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Randy and Michelle
Art In Scales
(719) 439-4199
info@artinscales.com

Breeders split hairs when they think someone is encroaching on their investment animals - that's why this hobby is so royally screwed up....most breeders of burms know very little about the natural history of the animals they are working with and most miss the mark on the real joy of keeping them - that's too bad.

Rob Carmichael, Curator
Wildlife Discovery Center
www.girconservation.com

>>Here are some more pictures of her as a baby. Her spots are solid black not brown and outlined, just like you said yours are.
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>>My theory is that we are dealing with two pattern morphs, one is no pattern and one is extreme pattern and they are fighting each other. Sometimes the patternless gene wins and sometimes the labyrinth gene wins and sometimes they meet in the middle to make a leopard, which would explain why there were greens and labyrinths in the same clutch as my pair. The only difference I see between yours and mine is that mine has more horizontal lines on their sides and yours only have a couple of horizontal lines. That's why I said that yours has less labyrinth influence in it than mine do.
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>>Randy and Michelle
>>Art In Scales
>>(719) 439-4199
>>info@artinscales.com
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Rob Carmichael, Curator
The Wildlife Discovery Center at Elawa Farm
Lake Forest, IL

Rob,
Would you mind sharing a few book recommendations? I've had a yearning for some in-depth literature for some time now but I can't find a whole lot and I don't want to spend $100 on a glorified "pet store book".

It doesn't have to be Burmese Python-specific, anything python or boidae, worth reading, would be nice.

Thanks!
Mike
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Due to political correctness run amuck,
this ol' hillbilly is now referred to as an:
Appalachian American

www.natures-signature.com

Mike,

The Reproductive Husbandry of Pythons and Boas by Richard Ross is always a good selection. We have a signed copy that I ordered directly from Mr. Ross back in the mid 1990's while he was still at Stanford.

Catch ya later.

Michelle
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Randy and Michelle
Art In Scales
(719) 439-4199
info@artinscales.com

Thanks Michelle! That's one that I've been considering.

Have a good one!
Mike
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Due to political correctness run amuck,
this ol' hillbilly is now referred to as an:
Appalachian American

www.natures-signature.com

Ben, Awesome buddy congrats! I know this has been a long time project for you. They look super sweet. I will be in Cali in a few weeks would love to stop by or at the least meet up for a bit. Are you going to the show?

Brandon
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Brandon Nixon