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Help Identify this Garter

coldbloodednov Jun 14, 2008 09:44 AM

Actually it is a checkered Garter that was produced from a wild caught female in 2001 bred to an Albino male. Since then I have had appx 25% of the clutch with this glowing yellow color. In Aug of 2006 I attended the Daytona show as a vendor and was offered $1,000.00 for a female produced in 2004. ( I will not mention the name of the person who offered that would not be fair business ) well anyway i did turn down the offer because it not always about the money. My only mistake thus far is not proving it is Dominate, Co Dominate, or simple recessive That I will do in the very near future. But it has been pretty cool producing these glowing yellow beauties since 2001. I am looking for ALL the feedback I can get on these animals and taking suggestions on naming them Ex. are they Pastel, Hypo, Ect Ect
The photo attached is the mom from 2003 with the original male
Thanks Frank
Looking forward to all the feed back
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Replies (3)

boxienuts Jun 14, 2008 05:18 PM

If it were me I would not want to get the cart ahead of the horse, and would want to prove out or at least characterize the genetics before worrying about a name. You should want to find out if it is a simple gene or if it is merely a locality based color variant. I'm not sure what breeding you have done so far, but it sounds like you bred to a known morph (albino) which could confuse the issue because that could have an influence on the hets. The first test to do would be to breed F1 offspring back to the wild caught visual, and also F1 offspring to each other and then analyze the resulting ratios of visual offspring from both of those crosses. If you see varying degrees of yellow or blending then it probably a case of multi-component genetics involved. A single gene morph "should" have more value to a breeder because the outcomes can be more reliably predicted and the value of a 100% het can be guaranteed. That said, a "morph" is a merely term to describe a visual not the genetics, i.e. the flame is considered a valuable morph that was originally line bred from locality color variants to improve the color effects. Looking at the pics I don't think that hypo would be appropriate, because hypo usually characterizes a decrease or lack in pigment, but the black and yellow are bold, pastel might be better, but that is derived from ball python breeding, it looks like it is more an increase in yellow pigment or xanthin so perhaps xanthic or hyperxanthous would be more appropriate. That's my view anyway, just trying to be helpful and offer input and an opinion. I don't mean to sound "snooty" and I don't want to offend you, but just FYI "dominate" is a verb – “dominant” is the correct adjective used to describe the type of gene that you referred to. Again I hope I didn't offend anyone and I certainly did not mean to be insulting by correcting the language, just FYI.
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Jeff Benfer
You'll get your regius's to the wall, man!
1.0 pastel Python regius
0.1 mojave Python regius
0.1 normal Python regius
0.2 Terrapene carolina thriunguis
2.3 Terrapene carolina carolina
4.1 Kinosternon baurii
1.1 Malaclemys terrapin terrapin
2.1 Ambystoma tigrinum
2.2 het albino and anerythristicThamnophis sirtalis parietalis
1.0 anerythristic Thamnophis sirtalis parietalis
1.1 Iowa snow Thamnophis radix
1.1 heterozygous for amelanistic,carmel, and stripe Pantherophis guttatus
0.1 anerythristic motley Pantherophis guttatus

AmandaTolleson Jun 14, 2008 05:33 PM

Wow, that female is NICE.
But I have to agree with the last post.
And I must also mention that I have seen one or two checkereds as bright as that male here in TX.

And I agree too with the Het status possibly having some effect on the color. But if anything, looks most like what I would see as a "pastel". Hypos lack pigment.

brhaco Jun 15, 2008 09:46 AM

I agree-it looks wore "hyperxanthic" than "hypo". I also agree that further breeding trials should be done before attempting to characterize the genetics with a name.

At any rate, that's an exciting animal-once you have surplus I'd like to be on the list to obtain some!
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Brad Chambers
WWW.HCU-TX.ORG

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