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"I have high friends in places."-H.Sherman in some bar

speechless! they're all stunning. so hard to pick out what i like most of them are hybrid?

Thanks!

About 20% of them are hybrids . The rest are pure. I just posted different pics of snakes I had in the hand pics of.
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"I have high friends in places."-H.Sherman in some bar

They're awesome either way!

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ÌÏËÙÍ ËÁÂE!

"I have high friends in places."-H.Sherman in some bar

The colors on some of those are brilliant.
What are those white sides??
:Mark
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Surrender Dorothy!

crimsonking.piczo.com/

Those are white sided ratsnakes.

tThe first pic is of a whitesided blackrat (aka Licorice stick black rat)originated by George Misskimmon. I got into these early on before most people.

The second pic is of a whietsided blackrat crossed with a whitesided everglades rat. The whitesided blackrat (Licorice stick) is allelic with the whietsided everglades.

The whietsided everglades rat was called a "ghost Glades" and has been around a lot longer than the whitesided blackrat. Gulf Coast reptiles originated the Ghost Glades and coined that tern and miskimmon originated the WS Blackrat and cioned the term Licorice stick. I recognized that the Ghost Glades was a whitesided trait and bred the two together. What came out were these fellows.

I think that a lot of the reccssive traits we have are allelic. Which proves that most snakes originated from a single ancestor snake and they are all hybrids anyway.

LOL!

Flame on>..
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ÌÏËÙÍ ËÁÂE!

"I have high friends in places."-H.Sherman in some bar

Well I suppose the snakes know little of names we give them?
:Mark
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Surrender Dorothy!

crimsonking.piczo.com/

those snakes are stunning pic but #16 is unreal very cute daughter also

Thanks but #16 passed away a couple years ago. It was one of my fav's and I had to let that project die along with the passing of the snake.

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"I have high friends in places."-H.Sherman in some bar

Stunning....there is the reason to keep snakes.
And you know my birthday is coming up soon...lol
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Ball Python
Jungle Carpet Python
Eastern King
Mexican Black King
Sonoran Gopher
Aberrent Cal King
Anduran Milk
Hypo Brooks
Amel Motley Corn
White Sided Bull
Striped Pacific Gopher

I love the smell of aspen shavings in the morning...lol

"To serve man..it's...it's a cookbook!"

Yeah send me your address and maybe you will get a package

Hairless hamster:

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"I have high friends in places."-H.Sherman in some bar

All are stunning. Those speckled king x ratsnake models have a great look to them. Very intriguing, I really like those. Is that a glossy in there too?
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Mark

yep those are baby glossys I produced.

I think they are a better snake than the cornsnake. I have never had a captive born refuse a mouse pinky right off the start.

I just don't know why these aere not more popular.
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ÌÏËÙÍ ËÁÂE!

"I have high friends in places."-H.Sherman in some bar

I like taking pics like these too

I love in hand pics
Tom Stevens

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TomsSnakes.com

Very nice Tom ....

What is this?? Is it a Jelly? Im curious its gorgeous ...

. and Im assuming this is a sulfur lav??

Thanks
female Peanut Butter and male Sulfur Lav
Tom Stevens
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TomsSnakes.com

Their gorgeous ... simply drop dead.

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TomsSnakes.com

that pb female is somethingowrth looking at, and she is a big girl

daveb
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in the light, you will find the road...

She is a nice sized King but has a ways to go. Her male het mate is way bigger.
Tom Stevens
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TomsSnakes.com

As always very nice snakes! can't wait to get.....you know what i am talking about

When you do get em, please post pics, you're gonna love em.
Tom
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TomsSnakes.com

I was planning to post anyway

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"I have high friends in places."-H.Sherman in some bar

Ah.........the look of reptile people who drive ridiculous distances to arrive at the their destination only to refuse rest and party for a few days.
As I always say, I will sleep when I go home. Can't wait bro, first beer is on you.......and not none of that lime crap either haha!
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TomsSnakes.com

Three stooges if I ever saw one!
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Todd Hughes

That HE doesnt have a forked tongue,but the company you keep is questionable....BTW where is your High friend in some bar? AWESOME critters as usual L8r Chris

Very nice Tom. That ghost sonoran is a beauty. I think I've only seen pics of hatchlings so it's neat to see an older individual.
Steve

That Ghost was smokin hot, I can not remember who got that one but they're damn lucky!
Tom Stevens
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TomsSnakes.com

Those are phenominal!

What are these guys ??

Wish I were as good a photographer. Loved all the pics! Tom, you got to tell me more about the very very yellow Brooksi. see y'all in 9 weeks.

9 weeks?? N I N E WEEKS???
haha

:Mark
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Surrender Dorothy!

crimsonking.piczo.com/

I will be there in 61 days. If Dennis ever is able to somehow get me out of the blocks a day or 2 earlier than that we would be looking at 60 days.

"Ahma da chef of de futcha"-Ralph Kramden (but can it core a apple?)

Will you bringing your string of poloponies?
:Mark
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Surrender Dorothy!

crimsonking.piczo.com/

my yacht and mansion too as ya gotta remember, I brive a dus.

Stellar Mark, put it in your hand!
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Todd Hughes

Posted by: elaphopeltishow at Fri Jun 20 14:32:08 2008 [ Report Abuse ] [ Email Message ]

Wish I were as good a photographer. Loved all the pics! Tom, you got to tell me more about the very very yellow Brooksi. see y'all in 9 weeks

Yeah I can't wait either..

Can anyone crop and photoshop Howies face on the far right corner.
PLEEEEEZE!

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"I have high friends in places."-H.Sherman in some bar

I like that T-shirt Howie has on with Curious George passed out from drinking, LOL
Steve

That yellow snake is a sulfur lavender brooks that I produced.

they are the parents to that snake:

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"I have high friends in places."-H.Sherman in some bar

Thanks for the info buddy. I may have to snag a pair of this years offspring then.

hERE ARE THOS YOU PICTURED IN ORDER:

1)HYPO FLORIDA KING X EASTERN KING (FEMALE0
2)T- NEGATIVE (TRUE RED-EYE ALBINO FLRORIDA KING)FEMALE
3)NORMAL PHASE BROOKS HET FOR EXTREME LAVENDER (FEMALE)
4)SULFUR LAV JUVI (FEMALE)
5)JELLY MALE
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"I have high friends in places."-H.Sherman in some bar

My '05 Speckled girl.

reako45

DP Cal King female.

reako45

Good looking animals Rainer. Love the white-sided black rat & albino rosy. Also, is that an albino emory rat 15th picture down?
Steve

Yeah that is a amel emoryi. I worked with them when they first came out. I preferred them to the regular corns

I am not much of a cornsnake guy if anyone noticed. LOLOL!
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"I have high friends in places."-H.Sherman in some bar

That thing is awesome!

......I wanna cry....

that stuff is sooo sweet.......you suck......hahaha.....

so.....lots of mixed up stuff.I have no idea where to start....so.

easy..what is the last pic?........

and what is in the sleeve near the , like 6th from last pic.?.....

..............nice..........really nice.......now I gotta find a website for thsi guy.....man.................
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the last pic is of a amel Honduran milk x Florida king x cal king.

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"I have high friends in places."-H.Sherman in some bar

Are you producing these this year?

right on rainer great series of pics! man i cant wait to see a few of those in person, really lookin foward to my first daytona!!!
,,,,,,thomas

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Morphs... just like baseball cards BUT ALIVE, how cool is that???

my website www.barmollysplace.com

I was greatly saddened to see what you and others have done with *natural*, wild animals which were once Hunters, now turned into colorful Scavengers feeding on frozen-thawed meals (for your convenience).

Denying them even the ability to stalk their live food, the one last thing they might have done in your cage.

Your desire for candy-cane replicas is altering entire species. To breed for color, of course, requires two things:

1. Inbreeding with relatives to begin or enhance the line.
2. Disregarding the fact that other traits like alertness, stalking skills or instinct will be compromised or lost.

I've seen examples of snakes bred for specific colors; they are pathetic. One Cal King bred for a labyrinth pattern could no longer even strike prey correctly. His behavior was moronic.

I'm reminded of goldfish with large, bulbous eyes which cannot survive outside of an aquarium; radically different from the natural Carp stock from which they were bred.

The descendents of these mutants will no longer even resemble their ancestors.

When will Humans (those demonstrating that which is humane) learn to allow animals to remain what they ARE, rather than breeding them to be what YOU want them to become???

It would be illegal to do this to other Humans, but or course, captive animals kept in cages have no rights and cannot begin to comprehend the damage you are doing to their genetic lines.

I prefer natural kingsnakes - in natural colors and patterns - with full instincts & functionality.

Lone Voice of Logic & Reason

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TomsSnakes.com

If you have even ONE pet kingsnake, then you are a hypocrite and are just like the rest of us.

It's OK, though. Just keep it in mind.

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Chris Jones
King of Kings Reptiles

http://www.kingofkingsreptiles.com/

"All the fancy names in the world will be of no help if you do not know the difference between chocolate pudding and pig poop." -Frank Retes

especially since you mentioned inbreeding and such.

But for everyone else sake that might have taken your post serious I should say that inbreeding in colubrids dos not exist and most N. american colubrids are results of hybrids estblishing themselves. That is why most of the reccessive genes are allelic. Further studies show that most kings and milks originated from the south american milk. I bet if you go back only 100-200 yrs you will find all sorts of different looking snakes in the same places we think they have been for umpteen million years.

Also here is a pic of a Gopher x Calif king hybrid that was found in central calif on a large private ranch. So you can see that hybrids do exist in the wild.

What is also interesting is that these hybrids are the least of the inbred snakes. They are fresher genes being comipled. Have you ever heard of something called HYBRID VIGOR? That is a good thing because the snakes are stronger captives and are not as delicate and eat better and have stroger chances to survive into the wild.

Most natural wil hybrids breed back into one of the other parent species and that is why we find oddities and specially marked specimes.

That is the vioce of reason.LOL!

But didn't mean to bust your chops since I think you were just being ficticious. but some newbies might take your advice and actually beleive it.,
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"I have high friends in places."-H.Sherman in some bar

Ameron, your last sentence would have been enough. I know how you feel about locality stock, etc. but this is by far more of a breeding forum and as such the hybrid people have as much right to their animals and opinions as anyone. Please feel free to state your feelings, but be prepared for what comes, just as the hybrid folk prepare themselves,lol! Besides, how many generations before your locality kings exhibit the same traits you saw in your friends' kings? I see that in many c.b. cal kings. I agree on natural live prey but if you have any, even one in a cage, you have no leg to stand on, they are not hunting in their habitat but yours, eating your choice of food not theirs, sleeping in your idea of home, not theirs, and utilizing the temp gradient you choose for them. Please realize you are railing against yourself as a keeper on this one.
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Todd Hughes

Well, at least the poster did qualify all his post by stating that he prefers the natural morph to others. If it is only a personal preference then I do not think anyone has a problem with your posting. I prefer the natural morph myself, but certainly wouldn't take anyone to task for producing whatever the heck they wish to, so long as they stay out of the natural population's genetics, which they do. I wonder if you would extend your reasoning to dogs as well, where the same thing has been going on, although for many thousands of years more than in our recent herpetocultural forays?

"I resemble that remark."-Curly Howard

It would be illegal to do this to other Humans, but or course, captive animals kept in cages have no rights and cannot begin to comprehend the damage you are doing to their genetic lines.

Unless you live in the US the land of immigrants past,present and future....as the soup Nazi would say "No Soup for you"

goldfish are all cassarius auratus(sp) the grotesque abnormalities are morphes of the same animal IMHO and studies.possibly you are refering to KOI(Carpius) which are selective bred for LONG TIME!But they have been bred to the european and Asian species to achieve Doitsu(scaleless or semi scaleless) and the LOOONGG fin varieties. NOT to bust your bubble but ..???
Im, Done .........C

WOW Rainer AND Tom, lots of cool eye candy, I wanna play, male Hebbronville, Texas splendida,the coolest handheld model in my collection!

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Todd Hughes

that looks axanthic? Is that axanthis or a black and white normal w/c?

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ÌÏËÙÍ ËÁÂE!

"I have high friends in places."-H.Sherman in some bar

Haven't proven him out yet, waiting for a locality female. I may have to get one from someone and try next year if I don't stumble on a locality female this year. It might be local variance though. This snake is milk chocolate with a dark chocolate head, no black.
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Todd Hughes