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I only tried breeding her twice and she has decided to drop a third with no re breeding from any males.

First was lucy to lucy 9 out of 9 hatched out already.

Second is still incubating and has like 3 weeks to go still.

Second she was bred to that orange rat snake (but maybe he sired third and second is a lucy clutch)

Third was laid 6 days after she shed like other two clutches this year. She laid in between the 21st and 22nd at night. I had put in an egg box cause she looked to be gravid to me. I had not re bred her again but she had that distinct OVAL look to her that made me think she was going to drop some eggs.

12 eggs.

9 appear to be fertile but I am incubating them all to be sure.

Interestingly I will have to wait to see who sired the clutches. If it's not a lucy then it's the orange snake. It is possible both could be sires. She looks no worse for the wear though.

Egg Box...

Removed to incubation box (vermiculite)...

(3 towards back look to be infertile but one has good area and is attached to that other egg)

finished incubation box...without lid of course...

pic's of mom from today after cleaning her and enclosure and removing eggs etc...

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Roberts Realm Of Reptile Research
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Thanks,

I opened my mouth and out flowed a melody black.

That girls a egg laying machine isn't she. Obviously nice and healthy.
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Randy Whittington

I was wondering what would prompt a third clutch, she eats quite well.

A note I do not hibernate them either.

(orange generic rat snake was hibernated for 3 months at 50 degrees)

She... shed, bred, shed and laid.

Bred shed laid.

Shed Laid.

All in 3 months time (appox)

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Thanks,

I opened my mouth and out flowed a melody black.

Wow!,....A regular egg "factory"!!!.. And in such short order too!!

~Doug
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"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!"

Interesting, indeed! Was that a rossalleni she mated with? Wonder what the offspring will look like?

Sincerely,
Matthew

>>Interesting, indeed! Was that a rossalleni she mated with? Wonder what the offspring will look like?
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>> Sincerely,
>> Matthew

Orange snake is part black yellow and everglades, but mostly everglades.

Bubblegum bred to a everglades... then bred to a Blotchless Everglades from dwight good, this snake is ORANGE...
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Thanks,

I opened my mouth and out flowed a melody black.

Frank,

Yep, it was an orange snake. I'd try to keep those yellow genes away though, too many 'Glades already ARE half-yellow.

Matthew
Can't wait to see those babies!

The male bubble gum (albino) and eberything after that was everglades blood, I did not orignaly bred the two snakes that made the orange ones, one was from dwight good and another unknown. I just bred them out for orange from those two snakes.

I also wanted no blotches in the adults.

>>Frank,
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>> Yep, it was an orange snake. I'd try to keep those yellow genes away though, too many 'Glades already ARE half-yellow.
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>> Matthew
>> Can't wait to see those babies!
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Thanks,

I opened my mouth and out flowed a melody black.

Frank,

Well the END result was a very nice orange ratsnake that would do ANY P. obselata rossalleni ('Glades Rat.) PROUD.
And I might want to give one of those orange intergrades a home. Just a small hint! <G>

Sincerely,
Matthew

"Well the END result was a very nice orange ratsnake that would do ANY P. obselata rossalleni ('Glades Rat.) PROUD."

I think so too. Well I will know in a few weeks if the orange snake sired the second clutch the eggs are nice and swollen, but I don't get excited till I see head's poppin out of the eggs, I am a pessimist by nature.

>>Frank,
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>> Well the END result was a very nice orange ratsnake that would do ANY P. obselata rossalleni ('Glades Rat.) PROUD.
>> And I might want to give one of those orange intergrades a home. Just a small hint! <G>
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>> Sincerely,
>> Matthew

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Roberts Realm Of Reptile Research
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Thanks,

I opened my mouth and out flowed a melody black.

Waiting IS hard ain't it? LOL
I'm having a hard time. Maybe you'll get mixed offspring? I try NOT to be pessimistic but I'm usually that way too..

Sincerely,
Matthew

It is very possible to get mixed offspring from either the second or third clutch, time will tell.

Good thing is since one sire is a lucy it will be easy to decipher.

Orange rat snake is het for blotchless and pos het bubblegum (albino) rat snake.

There may be albino blood in the lucy's cause some have red eyes not blue.

Could be very interesting.

>>Waiting IS hard ain't it? LOL
>> I'm having a hard time. Maybe you'll get mixed offspring? I try NOT to be pessimistic but I'm usually that way too..
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>> Sincerely,
>> Matthew

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Thanks,

I opened my mouth and out flowed a melody black.

Frank,

Here is to hoping for the best!

Matthew

>>Frank,
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>> Here is to hoping for the best!
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>> Matthew
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Thanks,

I opened my mouth and out flowed a melody black.

Wow Frank! That's one fertile snake! Nice looking leucistic (Texas or black?) rat too. Best of luck with all of the eggs.

-Toby Brock
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Southwestern Center for Herpetological Research

Thanks and she is a Texas Ratsnake.

>>Wow Frank! That's one fertile snake! Nice looking leucistic (Texas or black?) rat too. Best of luck with all of the eggs.
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>>-Toby Brock
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>>Southwestern Center for Herpetological Research
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Roberts Realm Of Reptile Research
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Thanks,

I opened my mouth and out flowed a melody black.

I hope my Lucy's are that fertile!!! But they are hybrids.. i just thought they were cool looking... Lucy texas X Lucy Black rat hybrids. I should be getting them later this week or next week... cant wait!!! they are still a little young, but i can still only hope
congrats on all your eggs!!!

~kin
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~Sober Serpents~
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Corns, Creamsicles, A Black Rat, Thayeri, Cal Kings, A Jungle Corn(Just A Pet), A Ball Python, A Bearded dragon, Leopard Geckos, Green Anoles, a Snapping turtle, and a white cheeked mud turtle

Those are not hybrids...

Intergrades to some.

I believe Black and Texas rat snakes are the same snake just different variants (color/pattern)

Mine are texas rat snakes, but I did breed her to an orange generic rat snake as well.
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Thanks,

I opened my mouth and out flowed a melody black.

oh, i just assumed since they werent the same local i guess i was thinking they were hybrids. they sure are pretty though.. i should be getting them wed. so i'll try to post pics
~kin
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~Sober Serpents~
www.freewebs.com/soberserpents
Corns, Creamsicles, A Black Rat, Thayeri, Cal Kings, A Jungle Corn(Just A Pet), A Ball Python, A Bearded dragon, Leopard Geckos, Green Anoles, a Snapping turtle, and a white cheeked mud turtle

>>oh, i just assumed since they werent the same local i guess i was thinking they were hybrids. they sure are pretty though.. i should be getting them wed. so i'll try to post pics
>>~kin
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>>~Sober Serpents~
>>www.freewebs.com/soberserpents
>>Corns, Creamsicles, A Black Rat, Thayeri, Cal Kings, A Jungle Corn(Just A Pet), A Ball Python, A Bearded dragon, Leopard Geckos, Green Anoles, a Snapping turtle, and a white cheeked mud turtle
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Thanks,

I opened my mouth and out flowed a melody black.

I've heard of polypaternity before. In the case I recall, the non-albino parent won out (probably stronger sperm). Those were bred close together producing one litter. Can't wait to hear the outcome of these two clutches.
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Nick Puder
www.rnpreptiles.com

I am wondering what is what too lol...you would think since the orange snake bred her last they would be his...maybe...the others may be lucy...I will know for sure if their any polypaternity. I will post for sure!!

>>I've heard of polypaternity before. In the case I recall, the non-albino parent won out (probably stronger sperm). Those were bred close together producing one litter. Can't wait to hear the outcome of these two clutches.
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>>Nick Puder
>>www.rnpreptiles.com
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Thanks,

I opened my mouth and out flowed a melody black.

That's what I like about this breeding, you can clearly tell the father. I bred a king to a different male this year, won't know if any sperm is stored from last year's mate. Looking forward to your results!
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Nick Puder
www.rnpreptiles.com

>>That's what I like about this breeding, you can clearly tell the father. I bred a king to a different male this year, won't know if any sperm is stored from last year's mate. Looking forward to your results!
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>>Nick Puder
>>www.rnpreptiles.com
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Thanks,

I opened my mouth and out flowed a melody black.