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Luna shed right before I was leaving on vacation last weekend, actually the day I left. She had not shed that morning but did notice the shed right before I left so snapped a few pics and am just now ready to post them. She looks soooo much better in person.....

Took this one today, obviously oversaturated but actually closest to her actual colors - go figure!!!

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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
26.49 BRB
20.21 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

Geez Dave,
..If you don't cut this out you might even get ME interested in Bci morphs.
Jeff

>>Luna shed right before I was leaving on vacation last weekend, actually the day I left. She had not shed that morning but did notice the shed right before I left so snapped a few pics and am just now ready to post them. She looks soooo much better in person.....
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>>Thanks,
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>>Dave Colling
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>>www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com
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>>0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
>>0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)
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>>LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
>>26.49 BRB
>>20.21 BCI
>>And those are only the breeders
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>>lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

dark side of the force is very strong resist it not!!!!!!!!!
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
26.49 BRB
20.21 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

It's hard to imagine her looking better in person, Dave, she's so gorgeous in the photos! I love the lavender in her tail. Will that remain or change color as she grows?

She looks soooo much better in person.....
>>>>Took this one today, obviously oversaturated but actually closest to her actual colors - go figure!!!
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>>Thanks,
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>>Dave Colling
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>>www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com
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>>0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
>>0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)
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>>LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
>>26.49 BRB
>>20.21 BCI
>>And those are only the breeders
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>>lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats
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Renee

2.0 amel & anery corns (Foxfire & Daguerre)
1.0 BRB (Loki)
1.1 Cats (Nightshade & Cuzzy)

The whiteness tends to wash out the colors, so many shots are all washed out, too much light.

I honestly don't know how she'll change, will keep posting pics of her as she grows.
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
26.49 BRB
20.21 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

Very nice snake!!!

I wanna hold it darnit!!!

Lucky YOU!!!!!

>>Luna shed right before I was leaving on vacation last weekend, actually the day I left. She had not shed that morning but did notice the shed right before I left so snapped a few pics and am just now ready to post them. She looks soooo much better in person.....
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>>Took this one today, obviously oversaturated but actually closest to her actual colors - go figure!!!
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>>Thanks,
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>>Dave Colling
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>>www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com
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>>0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
>>0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)
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>>LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
>>26.49 BRB
>>20.21 BCI
>>And those are only the breeders
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>>lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats
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Thanks,

I opened my mouth and out flowed a melody black.

No holding her right now, she ate her first offered meal yesterday.
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
26.49 BRB
20.21 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

Always a good feeling when they start right off eating.

Now stop staring at her before the weight makes her regurge!!!!!

>>No holding her right now, she ate her first offered meal yesterday.
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>>Thanks,
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>>Dave Colling
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>>www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com
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>>0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
>>0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)
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>>LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
>>26.49 BRB
>>20.21 BCI
>>And those are only the breeders
>>
>>lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats
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Roberts Realm Of Reptile Research
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Thanks,

I opened my mouth and out flowed a melody black.

I have a great trick for getting them to eat first time around....

WAIT until they're good and hungry!!!

So many people try to feed right away, no matter what the individual baby came out like. These were fairly good yolk belly babies. Probably a little pre-term. I had them on heat to allow them to absorb the yolk and literally waited a few weeks for first offering of food. Still, one of the sibs refused. NP, He'll just have to wait until next week before the next meal comes around.

I always base my first offering on the individual and species. For example a full term no yolk litter of BRB's can (and quite often will) eat within a few days of birth. Not quite full term ones may wait until first shed.

Mu latest litter of BCI's are full term, no yolk belly but from what I've read BCI's are more likely to not feed until after shed so I'll wait until then..... let em get good and hungry first!
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
26.49 BRB
20.21 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

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>>So many people try to feed right away, no matter what the individual baby came out like. These were fairly good yolk belly babies. Probably a little pre-term. I had them on heat to allow them to absorb the yolk and literally waited a few weeks for first offering of food. Still, one of the sibs refused. NP, He'll just have to wait until next week before the next meal comes around.
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>>I always base my first offering on the individual and species. For example a full term no yolk litter of BRB's can (and quite often will) eat within a few days of birth. Not quite full term ones may wait until first shed.
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>>Mu latest litter of BCI's are full term, no yolk belly but from what I've read BCI's are more likely to not feed until after shed so I'll wait until then..... let em get good and hungry first!
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>>Thanks,
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>>Dave Colling
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>>www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com
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>>0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
>>0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)
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>>LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
>>26.49 BRB
>>20.21 BCI
>>And those are only the breeders
>>
>>lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats
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Roberts Realm Of Reptile Research
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Thanks,

I opened my mouth and out flowed a melody black.

My Luna is a little anery female with little white crescents that I thought looked like moons. I thought it was so original! Great minds think alike... I hope!

she is just gorgeous by the way!

Thanks, I thought the name was quite fitting for a female moonglow boa!!!
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
26.49 BRB
20.21 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

As for future breeding.

Would a "triple het" be the best choice to make a constellation of moonglow's ?

(besides another moonglow of course!!)

Not just odd wise (but also) outcome wise (healthier stronger babies etc...).

>>Luna shed right before I was leaving on vacation last weekend, actually the day I left. She had not shed that morning but did notice the shed right before I left so snapped a few pics and am just now ready to post them. She looks soooo much better in person.....
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>>Took this one today, obviously oversaturated but actually closest to her actual colors - go figure!!!
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>>-----
>>Thanks,
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>>Dave Colling
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>>www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com
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>>0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
>>0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)
>>
>>LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
>>26.49 BRB
>>20.21 BCI
>>And those are only the breeders
>>
>>lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats
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Roberts Realm Of Reptile Research
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Thanks,

I opened my mouth and out flowed a melody black.

Assuming you're talking about Luna (or any other moonglow for that matter)

Just like any project depends on the "other" genes in the pool. Could be fine to breed her back to her father as her DH and TH parents were totally unrelated. Many have done just that in other projects with no bad outcomes.

IMO best bet would be another unrelated animal. But could get the same results with

Statistically a Moonglow bred to a TH Moonglow would produce...

3/16 moonglows (33% super)
1/16 Snow
3/16 Sunglow het Anery (33% super)
1/16 Albino het Anery
3/16 Ghost het Albino (33% super)
1/16 Anery het Albino
3/16 TH moonglow (33% super)
1/16 DH Snow

If you really want to produce moonglows in qty, then you'd be better off with a Snow or another Moonglow...

Snow = 1/2 Moonglow
Moonglow = 3/4 Moonglow (33% super)
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
26.49 BRB
20.21 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

So no way to get all moonglows, that's because one of the traits is not simple recessive ?

>>Assuming you're talking about Luna (or any other moonglow for that matter)
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>>Just like any project depends on the "other" genes in the pool. Could be fine to breed her back to her father as her DH and TH parents were totally unrelated. Many have done just that in other projects with no bad outcomes.
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>>IMO best bet would be another unrelated animal. But could get the same results with
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>>Statistically a Moonglow bred to a TH Moonglow would produce...
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>>3/16 moonglows (33% super)
>>1/16 Snow
>>3/16 Sunglow het Anery (33% super)
>>1/16 Albino het Anery
>>3/16 Ghost het Albino (33% super)
>>1/16 Anery het Albino
>>3/16 TH moonglow (33% super)
>>1/16 DH Snow
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>>If you really want to produce moonglows in qty, then you'd be better off with a Snow or another Moonglow...
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>>Snow = 1/2 Moonglow
>>Moonglow = 3/4 Moonglow (33% super)
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>>Thanks,
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>>Dave Colling
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>>www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com
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>>0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
>>0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)
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>>LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
>>26.49 BRB
>>20.21 BCI
>>And those are only the breeders
>>
>>lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats
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Roberts Realm Of Reptile Research
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Thanks,

I opened my mouth and out flowed a melody black.

You can get a litter of all Moonglows but one of the parents would have to be a Super Moonglow (homozygous hypo)

A Moonglow has 5 or 6 morph genes...
Albino - recessive - 2 genes
Anery - recessive - 2 genes
Hypo (or salmon) - dominant - 1 or 2 genes (2 genes would be called super)

A Super Moonglow bred to either a Snow, a Moonglow or a Super Moonglow would produce an entire litter of Moonglows with all being...

S-M x Snow - Moonglow
S-M x Moonglow - Moonglow 50% Super
S-M x S-M - all Super Moonglows
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
26.49 BRB
20.21 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

never heard of a super moonglow.

Any one have one I can see a pic of ?

>>You can get a litter of all Moonglows but one of the parents would have to be a Super Moonglow (homozygous hypo)
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>>A Moonglow has 5 or 6 morph genes...
>>Albino - recessive - 2 genes
>>Anery - recessive - 2 genes
>>Hypo (or salmon) - dominant - 1 or 2 genes (2 genes would be called super)
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>>A Super Moonglow bred to either a Snow, a Moonglow or a Super Moonglow would produce an entire litter of Moonglows with all being...
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>>S-M x Snow - Moonglow
>>S-M x Moonglow - Moonglow 50% Super
>>S-M x S-M - all Super Moonglows
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>>Thanks,
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>>Dave Colling
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>>www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com
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>>0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
>>0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)
>>
>>LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
>>26.49 BRB
>>20.21 BCI
>>And those are only the breeders
>>
>>lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats
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Roberts Realm Of Reptile Research
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Thanks,

I opened my mouth and out flowed a melody black.

A Super Moonglow would likely look no different than a regular moonglow, would just have two hypo genes and therefore would always pass down one each Hypo, Albino and Anery gene.

I suspect some may have already been produced but probably not many (if any) proven yet by breeding trials.
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
26.49 BRB
20.21 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

>>A Super Moonglow would likely look no different than a regular moonglow, would just have two hypo genes and therefore would always pass down one each Hypo, Albino and Anery gene.
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>>I suspect some may have already been produced but probably not many (if any) proven yet by breeding trials.
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>>Thanks,
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>>Dave Colling
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>>www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com
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>>0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
>>0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)
>>
>>LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
>>26.49 BRB
>>20.21 BCI
>>And those are only the breeders
>>
>>lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats
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Roberts Realm Of Reptile Research
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Thanks,

I opened my mouth and out flowed a melody black.

"Super" for a dominant is just like visual for a recessive one. ie to get a Albino both parents must pass on an albino gene. Samre thing for a Super Hypo, both parents must pass on the hypo gene. Luna came from a TH Moonglow x DH Snow. She did get every morph gene available from both parents.
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
26.49 BRB
20.21 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

It's co-dom that have a visibly different "super" form isn't it?

Sean.
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1.1 BRB
1.1 Triple Het TPRS's
0.1 Silver TPRS
1.1 Amel Bloodred Corns
0.1 Abbott Okeetee Corn
0.1 Blizzard Bloodred Corn
1.1 Thayeri Kingsnakes
0.1 Reeve's Turtle
0.2 Amstaff's
1.0 Pudytat

Correct, Motley in BCI is an example of a codominant trait. There are three visually distinct phenotypes....

Normal
Motley
Super Motley
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
26.49 BRB
20.21 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

>>Correct, Motley in BCI is an example of a codominant trait. There are three visually distinct phenotypes....
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>>Normal
>>Motley
>>Super Motley
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>>Thanks,
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>>Dave Colling
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>>www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com
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>>0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
>>0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)
>>
>>LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
>>26.49 BRB
>>20.21 BCI
>>And those are only the breeders
>>
>>lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats
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Roberts Realm Of Reptile Research
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Thanks,

I opened my mouth and out flowed a melody black.

I disagree, I think Super Hypos are slightly brighter than Het Hypos, so who knows what it would do to a Moonglow. Have any super ghosts? Do they look any different than the hets? It's iffy to know until the siblings prove out, but I would like to compare pictures of littermates that prove out to be super and those who don't! I bought a poss super cherry salmon and showed it to Mike from Basically boas yesterday at the show and he looks at me and says... "it's a super" I said "possible", he said, "I would bet the farm... It's a super" Only time will tell if he's right, but some breeders think there's a definite visual difference. Any thoughts?

I would definitely agree that some supers from a litter of possibles can be picked out as cleaner / brighter individuals with less black on the tail blotches. BUT there is a grey area where possibles are, some will prove out and some will prove not.
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
26.49 BRB
20.21 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats