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Japan Report

Shane_OK Jun 26, 2008 10:10 PM

Here are some pics and commentary on the ratsnakes I found on my recent vacation to northern Kyushu. I didn't do a lot of fieldherping, and I didn't take a lot of pics either, so some the photos are repeats from previous trips. I apologize ahead of time for the lack of commentary, but hopefully some fun discussions will arise.

I'll start out with Elaphe quadrivirgata, the Japanese Four-lined Ratsnake. Quads are common, and easily observed. While no doubt being more related to ratsnakes than racers, they nonetheless fill what most American herpers consider to be a racer (Coluber) niche. I imagine that they will be given their own genus one of these days.

Here are some pics of yearlings, that are indeed hard to find while fieldherping........luckily you can see them quite easily on the roads and under cover objects:

Adults are conspicuous........hunting frogs in the late morning hours along and around the groomed paddy systems:

Like racers, one of the best generalist snakes out there, they can and will climb:


I imagine more often than not, quads find what they need on the ground. I watched that snake for a few minutes, and it seemed to be uneasy with the predicament (not me, I kept some distance)……….hopefully it found what drew it up there.

Elaphe climacophora, the Japanese Ratsnake, is similar to obsoletus in habit. Not unlike obsoletus, they can be almost anywhere, but the encounters spike when a forest edge is nearby. For whatever reason, I didn’t take any field guide shots of climacs this year.

Some guide shots:

Here is a field shot from this year:

That one gave itself away by dropping into a stream. I looked over and noted a climac sighting. I don’t know if I am the reason it dropped into the stream or not, but in any case, it wanted to get back to where it came from, so I took a pic.

Perhaps another reason why I closely associate climacs with obsoletus is because I am a sucker for a good barn/shed which is presumably filled with rodents. When you look inside, you find a ratsnake:

It was a nice little reminder of my boyhood days, trying to find as many black ratsnakes as I could, in and among the numerous barns and sheds near my grandparents’ house in Appalachian North Carolina. Unlike Appalachian NC, northern Kyushu doesn’t often produce jewel-like hay-ridden lofts. I searched the same structure in 2007, but for the life of me, I can’t remember if hay was present. In any case, besides the head of a good-sized climac, I also saw a shed skin from a smaller snake, and some largish mustelid scat with snake scales present. Strange bunkmates, considering that the mustelid was probably Martes………stay in the hay dear snake.

I almost missed out on seeing a Japanese Forest Ratsnake (Euprepiophis conspicillatus) this year. On the last day, I gave a serious effort to correcting the issue, and found one. This pic is in situ:

A better view of the habitat:

That one was from ~1000m……….had to play the elevation / temperature game that day, because I struck out on the early morning, low elevation opportunity.

Some field guide shots:

For those who are interested in more pics and commentary, I posted a ratsnake report last year on the asian subforum. Not many lurkers over there, so I posted here on the main forum this time around.

Shane

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Replies (14)

jfirneno Jun 26, 2008 10:22 PM

Excellent. Of course the conspic photos are my favorites, but I'm amazed by the great shots of all the ratsnakes. And how often do I get to see japanese habitat shots.

Best regards
John

tspuckler Jun 27, 2008 06:25 AM

Not that's something you don't see everyday.

Great post!

Tim

DraigGochHerp Jun 28, 2008 08:58 AM

Great post Shane, thanks for sharing. It must be a tremendous experience to find such wonderful snakes in their natural habitat.
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jyohe Jun 27, 2008 07:32 AM

nice stuff......
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DMong Jun 28, 2008 10:05 AM

That was great stuff!,........I always enjoy field shots and the narration that goes with them. ....Thanks for posting that for us!

~Doug
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brhaco Jun 28, 2008 01:36 PM

First rate as usual, Shane. That cospicillata is awesome!
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Shane_OK Jun 29, 2008 03:37 AM

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BillMcgElaphe Jul 06, 2008 11:10 AM

Wow Shane
This is great.....
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Two questions if you get back to this one:
1. Did you ever get to IwaKuni and see the amel climacophora?
2. Did you get a feeling as to how the Japanese rural folk take to the snakes, compared to our own rural folk?
Regards, Bill
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Regards, Bill McGighan

Shane_OK Jul 08, 2008 11:02 PM

Thanks Bill! Good to see you posting again; thought you'd disappeared.

I never had the chance to herp around Iwakuni, but I would like to give it a try one of these days. It's really not far from my inlaws house, I just need to make a point of going there.

As for the rural attitudes toward snakes, my observations are pretty much limited to the rice farmers. I've never witnessed anyone killing a snake, and for that matter, I've never seen a dead snake along a rice paddy. Generally, quadrivirgata and Rhabdophis tigrinus are common/abundant in the rice fields.....easy to see as well. As far as I can tell, most of the farmers pay them no attention at all. I did run into one farmer who appeared to be in his early 50s say that he didn't like snakes, and he was acting like a little girl when he watched me pick up a quad, but that was the exception.

My guess is that mamushi, for obvious reasons, meet a swift fate when they are discovered. Of course Rhabdophis can also be deadly, but not really dangerous unless you give it some effort. My best guess is that since there is only one snake on the main islands worth really worrying about, most of the farmers know well enough to differentiate.

I speak enough Japanese to get drawn into a conversation that I won't be able to follow, so I don't ask a lot of questions when I'm herping there. On the few occasions that my wife has gone herping with me, we didn't run into any farmers, so I've never been able to take advantage of a translator while herping.

I have a few other anecdotes that I'll post on the field forum when I finish the full report.....two years in the making now, lol.

Shane
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BillMcgElaphe Jul 11, 2008 12:01 PM

That is very cool that you get to visit there on a bit of a regular basis, culturally as well as herp wise.
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That was really fascinating to see that the rural folks may be a little more tolerant with snakes.
We'll look forward to the unabridged version of the field herping.
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One of my many classic stupid things I did in my youth was to capture a pair of Red-necked Keelbacks (Rhabdophis subminiatus) and handle them bare handed without restriction, like a Corn. I had no idea of their toxicity.
It was actually safer, since if you hold them by the head or neck, they are masters at working the "rear fangs" back toward your fingers!
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Oh, and, yeah, I was tied up, out of internet contact for a month and then we went camping/trout fishing in the mountains in central Colorado for 3 weeks. - Thanks for asking...

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Regards, Bill McGighan

Shane_OK Jul 12, 2008 11:40 PM

I remember you mentioning that about subminiatus. I kept it in mind on the few occasions I held tigrinus behind the head.......read that focused on it almost exclusively, but never had a problem.

Gentle handling does work wonders, as I have also learned the stupid way (little yearlings), but I'm quite cautious when dealing with even slightly largish individuals, and the cautious measures piss them off!

Shane
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ratsnakehaven Jul 10, 2008 09:13 AM

Shane, great documentary as usual. I especially like the habitat shots. Like the other herps in Japan also..wink, wink!

Terry

Shane_OK Jul 12, 2008 10:51 PM

Thanks Terry. I'm going to try to get the full report up within the next month or so......how 'bout some pics of those green rats you've been finding!

Shane
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ratsnakehaven Jul 13, 2008 01:35 AM

how 'bout some pics of those green rats you've been finding!
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>>Shane

Ok, Shane, I'll work on it.

TC

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