I had one baby pip this morning and no more since, how long before the next or should I slit the eggs? eggs are with mamma by the way
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hatching burms
jsbarnwell
Jun 27, 2008 09:55 PM
Replies (9)
dadspets
Jun 28, 2008 12:10 AM
How long since she had them ? 60 days is the norm. My last clutch the first 2 pipped on day 57 and day 58. Day 59 I cut them open and put them in a big sweater box. With in a few days they came out of their eggs on their own. You may want to drain a little bit of the fluid out of the eggs so they don't sit in the eggs to long and drownd. Good luck and congrats.
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jsbarnwell
Jun 28, 2008 07:43 AM
June 27th in the morning, this morning(the 28th) there are a few more open. it was 55 days and the snake incubated.
HappyHillbilly
Jun 28, 2008 08:32 AM
My labyrinth clutch that hatched a few weeks ago, artificailly incubated between 90 - 91 degrees, went like this:
Day 55 - one pipped
Day 56 - a few more pipped
Day 57 - majority of the others pipped overnight
Day 58 - 20 of 22 babies came out of their egg
I personally wouldn't slit them until at least the 58th day. It can be done, if you're careful, without any physical harm to the babies. Some people do it, some people don't.
What you have to consider is that since momma is incubating them, once you start messin' around with 'em you need to be prepared to finish incubating them just in case you upset nature. A small slit at the upper most point of each egg should be fine as long as you're careful slitting them.
I've never poured out any of the egg fluid (can't think of it's official name at the moment). I'm sure there's a reason "dadspets" used the word "little" in that statement ("You may want to drain a little bit of the fluid out of the eggs..."
. Nothing against anyone's opinion, but personally, I wouldn't do it, especially since you're using maternal incubation, which rarely has adequate humidity to begin with. (Ronnie, don't you take offense to that. You know I'm not dissing you or your opinion. )
I've been trying to remember what type of Burmese pythons you're expecting from this clutch but I can't. Care to refresh my memory? Post some pics, share the joy!
Congratulations!
HH
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Due to political correctness run amuck,
this ol' hillbilly is now referred to as an:
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dadspets
Jun 28, 2008 09:33 AM
No worries Mike. I was not thinking that ( forgot ) those eggs were left with the mother and I've never let my snakes incubate them. I always incubate them in an incubator. A good friend of mine that has bred burms for years passed on to me on draining some of the fluid out.
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HappyHillbilly
Jun 28, 2008 10:12 AM
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Due to political correctness run amuck,
this ol' hillbilly is now referred to as an:
Appalachian American
jsbarnwell
Jun 28, 2008 09:49 AM
They are just normals
HappyHillbilly
Jun 28, 2008 10:04 AM
They are just normals.
Okay, you can consider THIS a rebuke: There is no such thing as "just" normals. "Normals" have always been, and will always be, my favorite. Ha! Ha!
Ya gotta post some pics when you get time.
Have a good one!
HH
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Due to political correctness run amuck,
this ol' hillbilly is now referred to as an:
Appalachian American
jsbarnwell
Jun 30, 2008 01:43 PM
Did you get my pics Happy? One more thing, I am supposed to wait to try to feed until after the first shed right?
Sasha
HappyHillbilly
Jul 02, 2008 01:17 PM
Hi Sasha!
Sorry for the delay in replying to your post, I've had an awful lot of things going on that I had to deal with.
I got the pics you sent, you did get my reply to them? I replied the next day, I believe. Just in case you didn't here's a slightly edited version:
Baby burms look great, beautiful! Congratulations! It's an awesome experience, isn't it? Maternal incubation is a great experience. Babies look a lot like momma. Nice!
Below are the basics of hatchling care, in my personal perspective, not as gospel. You don't have to wait till they shed to try feeding but I'd wait at least a week. This gives them time to process the nutrients they absorbed just before coming out of the egg.
* Double-check your temperatures. I like to keep the hot end between 90 - 92 and the cool end about 80. They can even be kept at a steady temperature, without a temperature gradient, at around 88 - 90, but I much prefer a temperature gradient, giving them a choice of temps.
* Make sure the humidity level is between 60 - 80%. The closer to 80% the better.
* Keep a constant supply of fresh water available to them.
* Offer them live mice pinkies or rat pinkies (or anything in between - size-wise [fuzzy mice, etc,]). Some snakes, babies and/or adults, are intimidated by large prey, even though it doesn't seem large to us. The smaller, more livelier, the better to get them started eating. Some will readily take frozen/thawed, but some won't. If you have to use F/T use some forceps, hemostats, or something to move the rodent around to make it appear live. Don't put it in the snake's face as this can also intimidate some snakes. You can ease the rodent up to the snake to let it get it's scent & once you see that the snake notices it back it away a little as if the rodent was trying to get away from the snake. Entice them to give chase, in a sense.
* Another thing that helps get them started eating is to feed them in small containers so they can't help but see & sense the rodent and give them privacy. I use 6-quart Sterlite tubs that you can get at Wal-Mart for about $1.50 each. I put the rodent in the tub, place snake in, and then cover it with a towel or something so they won't be distracted by anything going on outside of the tub.
* Be sure to give the snakes plenty of time to eat. I wouldn't give up until it's been with the prey at least two hours.
There are a few more little tips/tricks that can be used to get most stubborn babies started eating.
* You can behead the rodent, placing just the head in with the snake. Some people have had success with puncturing the forehead of the rodent to expose part of the brain & blood (also known as "de-braining". Both of these techniques work a lot of times.
* This one's going to sound crazy but it works sometimes - Wash the rodent with a mild hand soap or dishwashing liquid, being sure to rinse all soap off. Ivory soap is the best for this because it doesn't have all the chemicals most other soaps do. Sometimes a snake may not like the way a rodent smells and this can help.
* Live, small, rodents are usually the best overall.
* Don't try to feed them every day, this can stress them out. Give them a few days between attempts.
Have a good one!
Mike
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Due to political correctness run amuck,
this ol' hillbilly is now referred to as an:
Appalachian American
