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Odd normal cal kings

SneakySerpents Jun 30, 2008 01:43 AM

These guys came from a Banana Lavender stripe albino to a Banded albino cal king pairing.
they are not normal at all. They are a purplish color and all of them have some sort of aztec-like pattern going on. They are not the chocolate color kings either. Any body want to give these guys a name? Or are they just Double Hets (lavender, albino)

Pictured with a normal black and white Cal king

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STEVES_KIKI Jun 30, 2008 03:26 AM

misty-
looks hypo-ish.... next to the other king
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Kerby... Jun 30, 2008 07:13 AM

The aberrant pattern is to be expected from a stripe x banded project.....and the "hypo look" is what I get when I breed a lavender x albino....but they are just double hets (lavender & albino).

I've done a few of those clutches in the past 5 years.

Kerby...
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Bluerosy Jun 30, 2008 09:24 AM

Cool info kerby, thanks!

Enge- eastern x goini

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Bluerosy Jun 30, 2008 10:58 AM

could these double hets be markers for those traits. or is it just a result for the light brown phenotypes found in s. calif?
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Kerby... Jun 30, 2008 08:26 PM

It happens with other double het combos in cal kings. So I wouldn't be able to look at a double het that looks weird and be able to tell you what they are het for by looks alone.

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Paul Hollander Jun 30, 2008 10:26 AM

The light color could be an additive effect of the two heterozygous mutants. Or your stock could be derived from coastal Cal kings, which are more brown than black.

The patterns are definitely not normal. They remind me of some of the pictures in Richard Zweifel's paper, Genetics of color pattern polymorphism in the California kingsnake, The Journal of Heredity 1981:72(4):238-244. As far as I know, the genetics of those patterns has not been fully worked out.

Paul Hollander

FunkyRes Jun 30, 2008 11:19 AM

I think the underside of the tail (banded or solid) may be codom or dominant.

My banded amel has solid underside color to her tail. When paired with a WC banded from way out of striper range, about half of the offspring had solid color under tail and half had banded under tail.

Pairing cal kings that only have banded under tail produced young that were only banded under tail.

I don't have enough data to even say that my suspicion about *that part* is accurate, but when pairing cal kings, I always check the underside of the tail just to see if the pattern follows, to see if *maybe* it is a single gene controlling it in a predictable manner.

I've also noticed that some of her offspring, at some places the black stop short of the belly on both sides leaving completely cream at that spot - and I wonder if that is a visible indication of a striped ancestor as well, even though from the top they visually are as banded as banded come. I can't recall ever finding a wild norcal banded like that - but I only just noticed it, so I haven't been specifically looking at their bellies for it.

I don't know jack about what goes into patterns, and I think some aberrant cal kings are different than the aberrant that results from stripe x banded (IE the black belly aberrants that are found in the valley far away from stripe range living in populations that are otherwise banded) but it is something that interests me, I hope someday someone figures it out.
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STEVES_KIKI Jul 01, 2008 04:47 AM

you might like 1 of my hatchlings i just hatched out, but i willpost pics as soon as the other 2 come out of the eggs.... 1 looks banded, 1 is a banded aberrant stripe, and 1 is a high white aberrant stripe... the bellies on all 3 are completely different... its weird b/c i didnt get any of these when i bred them last year.... i got a 50/50 and a banded...
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