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Cuban Breeding

Rob_H Sep 02, 2003 02:05 PM

Hi everyone,
I haven't been on here in quite a while. I am now FINALLY able to breed my cuban treefrogs. I was just wondering if there are any adjustments required for this species as opposed to breeding the whites. I have a pair, although the male is getting on a bit now, he's nearly three years old (does anyone keep a male older than this?? In the wild the males often don't live past their 1st year) ANyway, I have a tank, pump etc and wanted to know if someone could give me any tips on the introduction of the adults, raising of the tadpoles (I believe they are mainly herbivorous?)
Any help would be greatly appreciated! Thank you!
Best wishes,
Rob

Replies (8)

cheshireycat Sep 02, 2003 03:23 PM

I haven't bred frogs, but I think it's important to keep the water warm. They'll soak and call more in warm water and the tads I've found were mostly in very warm water.

EllasMommie/Heather can give you information, because she caught some who ended up breeding the next day.

Also, I haven't had much luck in feeding the tads only veggy matter. They seemed to do best when given something like parsley, pond algae, or lettuce in addition to fish flakes and bloodworms and brine shrimp. I chose to stay away from the bloodworms because of the high risks of parasites, but they'd eat and grow on the brine shrimp and fish food very well, and sometimes munch on the greens. And mine ate algae from where I got them much more readily than they ate greens. And they really liked spinach, but then I found out it's bad for them, so don't feed that

Above all, just do some research around and good luck with your Cubans Although, if you're going to breed--good luck finding them homes afterwards!
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Rob_H Sep 02, 2003 04:06 PM

Thank you very much, unfortunately there is just about nothing on breeding cubans on the internet at all, 3 years of searching has brought about no results! I have read several scientific articles on the species, yet there is little information that can be put into practice in a rain chamber. I was mainly after info on conditioning the adults before breeding, I have had some experience on just about every stage after that! (don't worry, I'm well aware of the number of young they are capable of producing, luckily in England not many people have this species so it shouldn't be too hard to find owners) I assume it would be exactly the same as for the green treefrog, since these species breed side by side in the wild. Anyway, thanks again for your help, I may be able to post some pictures of my pair on here.... If I can work it out that is.

Great to see that Colchicine and Lukeybaby are still here!!!

ellasmommie Sep 02, 2003 04:33 PM

Well, I'm in FL where Cubans are taking over the world LOL I didn't have to do any conditioning because they were ready to breed when we caught them. Next morning I found a water dish full of eggs!!

I can tell you what changes happen in the weather here though. Temps are around 85 and the rains come, so humidity will usually be up around 70-80% It rains here around the same time every day (I call it Rain O'clock) so if you do the rain chamber or mist heavily once a day at the same time while keeping the temps up. Once you hear him calling, you shouldn't have to do much more than put them together LOL

They will lay eggs EVERYWHERE!!! In the soil, water dish, on the plants and all down the glass LOL And they hatch FAST!!! Mine hatched within 24 hours. Out of around 200 eggs I had 60 tads.

As for caring for the tads. 10 gallon tank, treated water, filter of oxygen plants temps around 75-78. 20% water change once a week. Feed them fish flake, algea sinking wafers, bloodworms (get the frozen cubes, less chance or parasites) and feed them 2 or 3 times a day as much as they will eat in a 15 min span. They do not take long at all to grow and morph. I had froglets in a month!!!

Once morphed they will eat anything they can get into their mouths LOL Pinhead crickets, tiny moths, fruit flies, a siblings butt LOL I've watched them go into feeding frenzies and actually take food out of anothers mouth. And I feed them on a daily basis so it isn't like they are starving, just greedy little gluttons LOL

If I missed something or you have any other questions fel free to email me at EllasMommie@yahoo.com

I still have 34 babies left and not having much luck finding homes for them. Hope you have better luck over there where they aren't common LOL
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Heather

Rob_H Sep 02, 2003 04:53 PM

Thanks very much! I also got my male from Florida (I know what you mean about the rain). That's great, I think I'll just set the rain chamber up then with high humidity and the correct temps, see if that works. Thanks again. I'll keep in touch and share my progress.

ellasmommie Sep 02, 2003 05:04 PM

Can't wait to hear how it goes1 I wish you the best and I'll keep my fingers crossed for a successful "coupling" LOL
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Heather

cheshireycat Sep 04, 2003 04:32 AM

Rob, keep in mind that while they do breed in places side by side, it's not the natural way of things at all.

Cubans are from Cuba and some surrounding islands, and they unfortunately were introduced to Florida and now take over most of Southern and Central Florida. And Florida is also where you'll find many GTFs, although they go well up the East Coast of the United States.

Anyway, my point is that they're going to be pretty different when it comes to breeding. Miami is about 25.5*N and the northernmost part of Cuba is just at about 23*N. That's pretty much tropical (within 25*N and S of the Equator), although Cubans go pretty far up the state up to about 28.5*N. But, there are few up there because of the cold winters that the majority of Cubans won't survive. Most GTFs are likely to come from areas above Orlando in Florida where there is no hint of it being tropical, because it isn't. So, while they both enjoy warm summer temps, the Cubans will do best in year-round warm temps. Cycling should be mild, at maybe 70-75*F (sorry, I don't work in terms of Celcius ) at the coolest for Cubans.
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Rob_H Sep 04, 2003 05:36 PM

Thanks, and don't worry, I'm not going to breed them EXACTLY like greens, I've kept both species and am aware of they're captive requirements and natural methods of breeding, so I'm not likely to freeze them.

I use F as well, so thank you! Comes with keeping reptiles when most herp thermometres are American. Very perceptive of you though!

cheshireycat Sep 04, 2003 11:15 PM

Alrighty, just making sure

I'm not an expert or anything, but I do know that people very often say something like "hmm.. it's called a Cuban tree frog, I wonder where it comes from?" and treat it like a GTF assuming that they both occur in some of the same places.

Anyway, I feel kind of ignorant for not learning the Metric System when it comes to certain measurements, so I'm really glad you do temps in Farenheit, too
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Got hips like Cinderella / Must be having a good shame / Talking sweet about nothing / Cookie I think you're Tame

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