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Hi all
I am just trying to find some answers for a friend of mine concerning Melanistic Thayeri.

Ok, is their any truth in a ( het Melanistic Thayeri ), so i breed a melanistic to a normal , do i get hets.

and, will melanistic x melanistic produce all melanistic.

Im not real sure on the Melanistic Thayeri trait, but i am under the impression that it works simular to the halloween trait in pueblans, ie no such thing as het halloween, its either one or its not, and even if i had 2 halloweens i may not produce any more from them , but the possibility is their that i could.

Thanks in advance for any help on the Melanistic Thayeri subject.

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...as far as I know it is a polygenic trait just like the other two major "phases" of thayeri are. Basically you can get any of the three from any pairing but you can increase the odds of certain "phases" and colors by breeding parents that are similar to what you want. For example if you want a red/black/orange milk snake phase then breed a pair that are both R/B/O MSP and you will have a better chance of getting a larger number of the offspring to be R/B/O MSP's but you will still get some leonis pattern, melanistic pattern, or MSP's of colors other then R/B/O popping up in the clutch from time to time.

Hope this helps clarify.

Sean.
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Thanks for that answer Sean

Yes i understand that the possibility is their to produce the melanistic trait, and the possiblities are higher if you use two of the same.

i was hoping for a more definate answer on the subject of ( het melanistic ), i belive their is no such thing ?, or is their ?.

and breeding two melanistics may not produce any , althought the odds are higher that you will. ?.

I know im a pain in the butt , but i need to clarify these for someone that thinks their are het melanistics and you will produce melanistics if you breed two together.

Thanks again
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Joe Forks and Frank Retes said they had snakes with melanistic as a simple recessive waaaay back in the day.

The experience I had with em in the mid 90's was the babies would look like colored thayeri but would grow into a bunch of black tipping....consequently I got rid of 'em.

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Chris Jones
King of Kings Reptiles

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"All the fancy names in the world will be of no help if you do not know the difference between chocolate pudding and pig poop." -Frank Retes

Thanks for that info Chris

That seems to be the common answer that iv got from some breeders that iv asked.

albeit my friend is hell bent on adding the word het to his sibs that have come from melanistic bred to a normal that comes from a melanistic x melanistic breeding.
i hope he changes his mind when i show him this forum, i think he is missleading any potential buyers by adding the word het.

i was hopeing for more experts to give their views and or experiences with the melanistic phase.

Thanks again
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From the ratios I've gotten in the past I would say there is no such thing as a het for melenistic. IN my line at least it did not manefest as a simple recessive trait.

>>From the ratios I've gotten in the past I would say there is no such thing as a het for melenistic. IN my line at least it did not manefest as a simple recessive trait.

Thanks for that input Tony
my thoughts exactly.

if it was as simple as a simple recessive trait, we would surely see many more melanistics in peoples collections and being offered for sale, its clear that we dont though.

Thanks again.
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