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Does anybody have a picture of an actual Fire Spider. I've heard that the Fire Spider on NERD's site is actually just a spider so I was wondering if anybody here produced one and had a pic.

Also, I'm going to take a crack at the possible outcomes and percentages of a Bumblebee X Firefly (Pastel Fire), please correct me if I'm wrong since no genetics info websites get this deep.

Bumblebee X Firefly

Normal 6.25%
Fire 6.25%
Pastel 12.5%
Pastel Fire 12.5%
Super Pastel 6.25%
Super Pastel Fire 6.25%
Spider 6.25%
Spider Fire 6.25%
Bumblebee 12.5%
Bumblebee Fire 12.5%
Killerbee 6.25%
Killerbee Fire 6.25%
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1.0 Columbian RTB
1.0 Orange Ghost BP
1.0.3 Mojave BP
0.1 Fire BP
0.1 Spider BP
4.2 Pastel BP
1.0 100% Het Pied BP
1.1 100% Het Caramel BP
1.0 100% Het Albino BP
0.1 100% Het Orange Ghost BP
0.1 Mudd Slide BP (50% het alb)
0.9.1 Normal BP - (2 - 66% het alb, 2 - 50% het pied)
0.0.6 Eggs in the incubator

No, the Fire Spiders on our website are a combination of Fire & Spider. We wouldn't put them up there if that's not what they were.

It's a subtle combo, one you have to see in person to really appreciate (or maybe we just need to take better pics)...we have several of them here & they stick out like sore thumbs compared to normal Spiders.

Hatchlings & juvies have a distinct brassy yellow undertone to them (i.e. middle pic) that turns into a very light, beautiful gold-ish background as the animal matures (first & third pics). The Spider patterning is typically reduced, and the white lateral markings are either extremely reduced or absent.

Kara

>>Does anybody have a picture of an actual Fire Spider. I've heard that the Fire Spider on NERD's site is actually just a spider so I was wondering if anybody here produced one and had a pic.
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>>Also, I'm going to take a crack at the possible outcomes and percentages of a Bumblebee X Firefly (Pastel Fire), please correct me if I'm wrong since no genetics info websites get this deep.
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>>Bumblebee X Firefly
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>>Normal 6.25%
>>Fire 6.25%
>>Pastel 12.5%
>>Pastel Fire 12.5%
>>Super Pastel 6.25%
>>Super Pastel Fire 6.25%
>>Spider 6.25%
>>Spider Fire 6.25%
>>Bumblebee 12.5%
>>Bumblebee Fire 12.5%
>>Killerbee 6.25%
>>Killerbee Fire 6.25%
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>>1.0 Columbian RTB
>>1.0 Orange Ghost BP
>>1.0.3 Mojave BP
>>0.1 Fire BP
>>0.1 Spider BP
>>4.2 Pastel BP
>>1.0 100% Het Pied BP
>>1.1 100% Het Caramel BP
>>1.0 100% Het Albino BP
>>0.1 100% Het Orange Ghost BP
>>0.1 Mudd Slide BP (50% het alb)
>>0.9.1 Normal BP - (2 - 66% het alb, 2 - 50% het pied)
>>0.0.6 Eggs in the incubator

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www.newenglandreptile.com

Kara,

I really appreciate the info, Thanks for responding so quickly. I'm really torn on whether or not to try this combo due to it being so subtle. Then again, perhaps after I see it in person it may change my mind. Thanks again.....
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1.0 Columbian RTB
1.0 Orange Ghost BP
1.0.3 Mojave BP
0.1 Fire BP
0.1 Spider BP
4.2 Pastel BP
1.0 100% Het Pied BP
1.1 100% Het Caramel BP
1.0 100% Het Albino BP
0.1 100% Het Orange Ghost BP
0.1 Mudd Slide BP (50% het alb)
0.9.1 Normal BP - (2 - 66% het alb, 2 - 50% het pied)
0.0.6 Eggs in the incubator

You know it's subtle, but then again in person they do stand out.

I think that Fire is a no-brainer combo to add to a Spider project because of what it does to "clean up" other morphs. The Pastel Fires & Ghost Fires are stunning, so adding that extra "ooomph" to morphs like Bumblebees & Honeybees (not to mention just about any other color/pattern combo) can only help.

Keep in mind that there are lots of folks who seem to really appreciate a nice, crisp, super-clean animal with a reduced pattern & contrasting color. I feel that Fire is a good go-to ingredient for that purpose.

Just my $8.02 (includes fuel surcharge) - dashing back to my blood python room now. Good stuff happening there.

Kara

>>Kara,
>>
>> I really appreciate the info, Thanks for responding so quickly. I'm really torn on whether or not to try this combo due to it being so subtle. Then again, perhaps after I see it in person it may change my mind. Thanks again.....
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>>1.0 Columbian RTB
>>1.0 Orange Ghost BP
>>1.0.3 Mojave BP
>>0.1 Fire BP
>>0.1 Spider BP
>>4.2 Pastel BP
>>1.0 100% Het Pied BP
>>1.1 100% Het Caramel BP
>>1.0 100% Het Albino BP
>>0.1 100% Het Orange Ghost BP
>>0.1 Mudd Slide BP (50% het alb)
>>0.9.1 Normal BP - (2 - 66% het alb, 2 - 50% het pied)
>>0.0.6 Eggs in the incubator

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www.newenglandreptile.com

Hey - for what it's worth... I think it's rather ridiculous to waste your animals on a "clean up" project -- there is so much more you can do with a spider and a fire -- but that's just me.
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Tosha
JET Pythons

What? why not try and make something look better....?

yeah who would want a bumblebee that stays neon yellow, white and black. I much rather prefer those tan/brown bees. Now away from the sarcasm, I think the fire and vanilla are soooooo under-rated for what they do to other morphs it's crazy. When it comes down to who is producing the prettiest morphs I'll be happy to have vanilla genes in all my breeding groups. In fact I like clean snakes soooo much I hope to pick up a fire in the next year or so to produce vanilla fires, now those will make some blindingly clean combos. The only downside the fire has is that it can't be taken to the super form to further clean up or intensify it's crosses. Tosha will you be in Daytona this year? If you are swing by GCR's table and take a look at what "cleaning up" can do.
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Josh & Krysty Hutto
J&K Reptiles

Various Ball Pythons, boas, dogs, cats, fish, an amel tiger retic female, a couple sulcatas and a few other odds and ends.

a BAD dog is MADE not bred, support the American Pit Bull Terrier as the greatest breed of dogs on Earth!!!!!

Has the Vanilla Fire been done?? It would be interesting to see, it might be kinda hard to tell the vanillas and fires apart as hatchlings though wouldn't it???

As far as clean up projects, I guess the amount of animals you have might determine if you go for them or not. I personally only have one spider female so I wouldn't breed a fire to her to clean her up, I want a bumblebee bad

If I had limitless animals like some of the bigger guys I'd probably try all kinds of projects....
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1.0 Columbian RTB
1.0 Orange Ghost BP
1.0.3 Mojave BP
0.1 Fire BP
0.1 Spider BP
4.2 Pastel BP
1.0 100% Het Pied BP
1.1 100% Het Caramel BP
1.0 100% Het Albino BP
0.1 100% Het Orange Ghost BP
0.1 Mudd Slide BP (50% het alb)
0.9.1 Normal BP - (2 - 66% het alb, 2 - 50% het pied)
0.0.6 Eggs in the incubator

We were looking at fires and vanillas and decided to go with the vanillas because the super form is even better, with fires you lose whatever gene you are trying to enhance. We have picked up a pair of vanillas and a vanilla black pastel AKA "brass ball" from GCR.

Here is a picture of the brass ball and a vanilla.

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Randy and Michelle
Art In Scales
(719) 439-4199
info@artinscales.com

I can't wait to see the super vanilla black pastel as that thing will be killer. Maybe we won't have to wait that long, Daytona maybe? Or even maybe some other super vanilla/vanilla crosses. Man daytona will have alot of eye candy on GCR's tables.
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Josh & Krysty Hutto
J&K Reptiles

Various Ball Pythons, boas, dogs, cats, fish, an amel tiger retic female, a couple sulcatas and a few other odds and ends.

a BAD dog is MADE not bred, support the American Pit Bull Terrier as the greatest breed of dogs on Earth!!!!!

The Genius has spoken.

I'd rather clean up dirty animals with selective breeding than adding another gene into the equation, but that's just me........
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South Central Herpetological

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