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Second lucy clutch hatches...

second clutch started to hatch on 7/6. All 10 out by the 8th.

Well the second clutch has started to hatch with the one egg I cut window on 7/4 coming completely out and another coming out. There are 2 more pipped and the others will soon follow.

Amazingly both the ones to come out first I thought would not survive the incubation period due to conditions of the egg. Both proved me wrong by being healthy normal sized neonates.

Emphasizing the fact that when in doubt wait it out!!!

First egg had very black nipple deformity and burst on the 4th and I cut the window to a live neonate inside the egg.

Pic of first egg that bursted and was leaking fluid...

here is neonate that came out of this egg...

here is the second "bad" egg...

neonate that came out of this egg...

The other two that are pipped but still in egg are both normal phenotype as well.

Meaning orange rat snake sired the ones out so far. From copulation to egg deposition is quite a bit faster then I thought.

These are all het for Leucism.

Group shot...7 of the ten...

Third clutch from this female due to hatch 8/18 - 8/22 by my guesstimating.

second was due to hatch on July 8th but hatched 2 days earlier then first clutch due to higher temps in the snake room (shelf incubation technique for colubrids I use)

Third clutch would hatch 21-22nd if it where same amount of days as first but like second I expect it to hatch earlier due to higher temps, third should hatch even faster then second.

That's why I pushed the date back to the 18th of August.

Third clutch has 9 out of 12 fertile eggs and utilized stored sperm as there was no re mating's involved.

so now I have:

9 lucy texas rats.
10 het lucy texas X orange rats.

so 19 neonatesa so far from this one female, if all 9 hatch in last clutch total yield will be 28 neonates from this one female!!!

Kewl Stuff!!!

maybe someday I will get a real camera LOL!!
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Thanks,

I opened my mouth and out flowed a melody black.

1 male and multiple females!!

cool and good luck on clutch #3!!!!!
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
26.49 BRB
20.21 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

Thanks Dave,

I think my female brazilan may be gravid, one of the few times breeding snakes I am not sure.

>>1 male and multiple females!!
>>
>>cool and good luck on clutch #3!!!!!
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>>Thanks,
>>
>>
>>Dave Colling
>>
>>www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com
>>
>>
>>
>>0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
>>0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)
>>
>>LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
>>26.49 BRB
>>20.21 BCI
>>And those are only the breeders
>>
>>lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats
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Thanks,

I opened my mouth and out flowed a melody black.

As many as I have bred, sometimes I still just don't know!! Usually over time I can tell but not always. Little things like how they act and if they're feeding or not and how much/how aggressively.

Of course there are the stuffed sausages that are quite obvious - my favorite kind!!!! Usually leads to large litters as well!!
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
26.49 BRB
20.21 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

Well she still feeds but kinda reluctantly and also looks huge but not gravid huge and is using the hot spot I recently put in with her, *shrugs*!!

>>As many as I have bred, sometimes I still just don't know!! Usually over time I can tell but not always. Little things like how they act and if they're feeding or not and how much/how aggressively.
>>
>>
>>Of course there are the stuffed sausages that are quite obvious - my favorite kind!!!! Usually leads to large litters as well!!
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>>Thanks,
>>
>>
>>Dave Colling
>>
>>www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com
>>
>>
>>
>>0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
>>0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)
>>
>>LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
>>26.49 BRB
>>20.21 BCI
>>And those are only the breeders
>>
>>lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats
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Roberts Realm Of Reptile Research
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Thanks,

I opened my mouth and out flowed a melody black.

Congrats Frank.
Hard to belive that an egg that looks that bad as that pictured could end up being fertile. Makes me wonder how often ugly, fertile eggs get tossed out.

"Makes me wonder how often ugly, fertile eggs get tossed out."

me too, the reason I kept those eggs was because I cut several open that looked simialr and saw small amounts of BLOOD in the egg, which to me meant even though I cant see it, something was alive in those "bad eggs" so I kept the rest, from now on I will incubate everything till it is OVER OBVIOUS they are dead eggs!!!

They are just as healthy and have the same vigor as their clutchmates!!!!
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Roberts Realm Of Reptile Research
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Thanks,

I opened my mouth and out flowed a melody black.

Interesting that you can't tell how healthy a snake is inside the egg from how unhealthy the egg looks on the outside! Lovely little snakes you've got there!

>>Amazingly both the ones to come out first I thought would not survive the incubation period due to conditions of the egg. Both proved me wrong by being healthy normal sized neonates.
>>
>>Emphasizing the fact that when in doubt wait it out!!!
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Renee
1.0 BRB (Loki)
2.0 amel & anery corns (Foxfire & Daguerre)
0.1 blood python (Duchess, arriving later this month)
1.1 Cats (Nightshade & Cuzzy)

>>Interesting that you can't tell how healthy a snake is inside the egg from how unhealthy the egg looks on the outside! Lovely little snakes you've got there!
>>
>>>>Amazingly both the ones to come out first I thought would not survive the incubation period due to conditions of the egg. Both proved me wrong by being healthy normal sized neonates.
>>>>
>>>>Emphasizing the fact that when in doubt wait it out!!!
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>>Renee
>>1.0 BRB (Loki)
>>2.0 amel & anery corns (Foxfire & Daguerre)
>>0.1 blood python (Duchess, arriving later this month)
>>1.1 Cats (Nightshade & Cuzzy)
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Roberts Realm Of Reptile Research
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Thanks,

I opened my mouth and out flowed a melody black.

Frank,
..Excellent results. I am hoping for equally good results for you on the pied BP project. I have had some really nasty looking eggs hatch. On the other hand I have had eggs that were beautiful go full term and babies died without pipping.
Jeff

>>Second lucy clutch hatches...
>>
>>second clutch started to hatch on 7/6. All 10 out by the 8th.
>>
>>Well the second clutch has started to hatch with the one egg I cut window on 7/4 coming completely out and another coming out. There are 2 more pipped and the others will soon follow.
>>
>>Amazingly both the ones to come out first I thought would not survive the incubation period due to conditions of the egg. Both proved me wrong by being healthy normal sized neonates.
>>
>>Emphasizing the fact that when in doubt wait it out!!!
>>
>>First egg had very black nipple deformity and burst on the 4th and I cut the window to a live neonate inside the egg.
>>
>>Pic of first egg that bursted and was leaking fluid...
>>
>>
>>
>>here is neonate that came out of this egg...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>here is the second "bad" egg...
>>
>>
>>
>>neonate that came out of this egg...
>>
>>
>>
>>The other two that are pipped but still in egg are both normal phenotype as well.
>>
>>Meaning orange rat snake sired the ones out so far. From copulation to egg deposition is quite a bit faster then I thought.
>>
>>These are all het for Leucism.
>>
>>Group shot...7 of the ten...
>>
>>
>>
>>Third clutch from this female due to hatch 8/18 - 8/22 by my guesstimating.
>>
>>second was due to hatch on July 8th but hatched 2 days earlier then first clutch due to higher temps in the snake room (shelf incubation technique for colubrids I use)
>>
>>Third clutch would hatch 21-22nd if it where same amount of days as first but like second I expect it to hatch earlier due to higher temps, third should hatch even faster then second.
>>
>>That's why I pushed the date back to the 18th of August.
>>
>>Third clutch has 9 out of 12 fertile eggs and utilized stored sperm as there was no re mating's involved.
>>
>>so now I have:
>>
>>9 lucy texas rats.
>>10 het lucy texas X orange rats.
>>
>>so 19 neonatesa so far from this one female, if all 9 hatch in last clutch total yield will be 28 neonates from this one female!!!
>>
>>Kewl Stuff!!!
>>
>>maybe someday I will get a real camera LOL!!
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>> Roberts Realm Of Reptile Research
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>>Thanks,
>>
>>Frank Roberts
>>
>>
>>
>>I opened my mouth and out flowed a melody black.

>>Frank,
>>..Excellent results. I am hoping for equally good results for you on the pied BP project. I have had some really nasty looking eggs hatch. On the other hand I have had eggs that were beautiful go full term and babies died without pipping.
>>Jeff
>>
>>>>Second lucy clutch hatches...
>>>>
>>>>second clutch started to hatch on 7/6. All 10 out by the 8th.
>>>>
>>>>Well the second clutch has started to hatch with the one egg I cut window on 7/4 coming completely out and another coming out. There are 2 more pipped and the others will soon follow.
>>>>
>>>>Amazingly both the ones to come out first I thought would not survive the incubation period due to conditions of the egg. Both proved me wrong by being healthy normal sized neonates.
>>>>
>>>>Emphasizing the fact that when in doubt wait it out!!!
>>>>
>>>>First egg had very black nipple deformity and burst on the 4th and I cut the window to a live neonate inside the egg.
>>>>
>>>>Pic of first egg that bursted and was leaking fluid...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>here is neonate that came out of this egg...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>here is the second "bad" egg...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>neonate that came out of this egg...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>The other two that are pipped but still in egg are both normal phenotype as well.
>>>>
>>>>Meaning orange rat snake sired the ones out so far. From copulation to egg deposition is quite a bit faster then I thought.
>>>>
>>>>These are all het for Leucism.
>>>>
>>>>Group shot...7 of the ten...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Third clutch from this female due to hatch 8/18 - 8/22 by my guesstimating.
>>>>
>>>>second was due to hatch on July 8th but hatched 2 days earlier then first clutch due to higher temps in the snake room (shelf incubation technique for colubrids I use)
>>>>
>>>>Third clutch would hatch 21-22nd if it where same amount of days as first but like second I expect it to hatch earlier due to higher temps, third should hatch even faster then second.
>>>>
>>>>That's why I pushed the date back to the 18th of August.
>>>>
>>>>Third clutch has 9 out of 12 fertile eggs and utilized stored sperm as there was no re mating's involved.
>>>>
>>>>so now I have:
>>>>
>>>>9 lucy texas rats.
>>>>10 het lucy texas X orange rats.
>>>>
>>>>so 19 neonatesa so far from this one female, if all 9 hatch in last clutch total yield will be 28 neonates from this one female!!!
>>>>
>>>>Kewl Stuff!!!
>>>>
>>>>maybe someday I will get a real camera LOL!!
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>>>> Roberts Realm Of Reptile Research
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>>>>Thanks,
>>>>
>>>>Frank Roberts
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I opened my mouth and out flowed a melody black.
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Roberts Realm Of Reptile Research
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Thanks,

I opened my mouth and out flowed a melody black.

Frank,
That is one productive rat snake. I tossed a couple of kingsnake eggs that looked really bad but now I kind of wished I left them alone. Cool stuff.
Paul

>>Frank,
>>That is one productive rat snake. I tossed a couple of kingsnake eggs that looked really bad but now I kind of wished I left them alone. Cool stuff.
>>Paul
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Roberts Realm Of Reptile Research
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Thanks,

I opened my mouth and out flowed a melody black.