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Second lucy clutch hatches...

second clutch started to hatch on 7/6. All 10 out by the 8th.

Well the second clutch has started to hatch with the one egg I cut window on 7/4 coming completely out and another coming out. There are 2 more pipped and the others will soon follow.

Amazingly both the ones to come out first I thought would not survive the incubation period due to conditions of the egg. Both proved me wrong by being healthy normal sized neonates.

Emphasizing the fact that when in doubt wait it out!!!

First egg had very black nipple deformity and burst on the 4th and I cut the window to a live neonate inside the egg.

Pic of first egg that bursted and was leaking fluid...

here is neonate that came out of this egg...

here is the second "bad" egg...

neonate that came out of this egg...

The other two that are pipped but still in egg are both normal phenotype as well.

Meaning orange rat snake sired the ones out so far. From copulation to egg deposition is quite a bit faster then I thought.

These are all het for Leucism.

Group shot...7 of the ten...

Third clutch from this female due to hatch 8/18 - 8/22 by my guesstimating.

second was due to hatch on July 8th but hatched 2 days earlier then first clutch due to higher temps in the snake room (shelf incubation technique for colubrids I use)

Third clutch would hatch 21-22nd if it where same amount of days as first but like second I expect it to hatch earlier due to higher temps, third should hatch even faster then second.

That's why I pushed the date back to the 18th of August.

Third clutch has 9 out of 12 fertile eggs and utilized stored sperm as there was no re mating's involved.

so now I have:

9 lucy texas rats.
10 het lucy texas X orange rats.

so 19 neonatesa so far from this one female, if all 9 hatch in last clutch total yield will be 28 neonates from this one female!!!

Kewl Stuff!!!

maybe someday I will get a real camera LOL!!
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Thanks,

I opened my mouth and out flowed a melody black.

>>Second lucy clutch hatches...
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>>second clutch started to hatch on 7/6. All 10 out by the 8th.
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>>Well the second clutch has started to hatch with the one egg I cut window on 7/4 coming completely out and another coming out. There are 2 more pipped and the others will soon follow.
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>>Amazingly both the ones to come out first I thought would not survive the incubation period due to conditions of the egg. Both proved me wrong by being healthy normal sized neonates.
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>>Emphasizing the fact that when in doubt wait it out!!!
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>>First egg had very black nipple deformity and burst on the 4th and I cut the window to a live neonate inside the egg.
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>>Pic of first egg that bursted and was leaking fluid...
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wow Frank
It's hard to believe anything hatched out of those eggs.
Cool news
congrats
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Corn snakes and rat snakes..No one can have just one.
"Resistance is futile"
Jimmy Johnson
(Draybar)
Draybars Snakes

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"It's hard to believe anything hatched out of those eggs."

me too, the reason I kept those eggs was because I cut several open that looked simialr and saw small amounts of BLOOD in the egg, which to me meant even though I cant see it, something was alive in those "bad eggs" so I kept the rest, from now on I will incubate everything till it is OVER OBVIOUS they are dead eggs!!!

They are just as healthy and have the same vigor as their clutchmates!!!!
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Thanks,

I opened my mouth and out flowed a melody black.

Well, if it starts to smell really bad, I think you are safe in disposing of one! LOl

Matthew

Man, I would have chucked that last egg in the trash days ago. Good thing you didn't Frank!

Sincerely,
Matthew

>>Man, I would have chucked that last egg in the trash days ago. Good thing you didn't Frank!
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>> Sincerely,
>> Matthew
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Thanks,

I opened my mouth and out flowed a melody black.

Congrats. Kewl stuff indeed. What strikes me is that your lucy hets look EXACTLY like mine (10 out of 10, clutch of 15 hatching as we speak). Mine are a Brindle Black x Lucy TX Rat cross. I would have guessed that mine should look distinctively different from yours, but they don't. Amazing, isn't it?

All the American obsoleta I have bred look remarkable similar when they hatch out and then they change color over time like an ontogenetic color change. I will predict these to be gray snakes molted with heavy orange.

The mother being pure lucy texas rat ...

The father being mostly everglades rat snake with a small amount of yellow and black rat genes. He is het for Blotchless and pos het albino...

When I hatched out the above orange snake in 2003 from a pair of snakes I obtained from two different sources (dwight good and roberta byrd)he was noticably different from the others, I have a few in this clutch that are like that and they will have to stick around
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Thanks,

I opened my mouth and out flowed a melody black.

better pic of the mother....

>>All the American obsoleta I have bred look remarkable similar when they hatch out and then they change color over time like an ontogenetic color change. I will predict these to be gray snakes molted with heavy orange.
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>>The mother being pure lucy texas rat ...
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>>The father being mostly everglades rat snake with a small amount of yellow and black rat genes. He is het for Blotchless and pos het albino...
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>>When I hatched out the above orange snake in 2003 from a pair of snakes I obtained from two different sources (dwight good and roberta byrd)he was noticably different from the others, I have a few in this clutch that are like that and they will have to stick around
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>>Thanks,
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>>Frank Roberts
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>>I opened my mouth and out flowed a melody black.

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Thanks,

I opened my mouth and out flowed a melody black.

Well, it's still a great clutch, regardless. They're as big as juvenile Bullsnakes, and all took fuzzies as a first meal.

I'll keep at least four of them, so time will tell.

Regards, Herman.

>>Well, it's still a great clutch, regardless. They're as big as juvenile Bullsnakes, and all took fuzzies as a first meal.
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>>I'll keep at least four of them, so time will tell.
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>>Regards, Herman.
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Thanks,

I opened my mouth and out flowed a melody black.

I'm looking forward to seeing what they grow into. Isn't it amazing how many Ratsnakes start out looking alike & then change into something different? I love watching these guys grow & turn into lookers.
Still hoping for you to have some like daddy though!

LOL
Matthew

>>I'm looking forward to seeing what they grow into. Isn't it amazing how many Ratsnakes start out looking alike & then change into something different? I love watching these guys grow & turn into lookers.
>> Still hoping for you to have some like daddy though!
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>> LOL
>> Matthew
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Thanks,

I opened my mouth and out flowed a melody black.