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I need expert eyes...can you help?

mannymoney Jul 12, 2008 09:02 PM

OK here's the story folks: 3 weeks ago i had a very anticipated litter from a "DH Sunglow" bred to a Sunglow Male. she delivered 19 total between stillborns and live young and not 1 was albino nor sunglow...got duped. Babies are beautiful though. The second litter though has a twist. The female is a 7-8 foot albino bought from Chuck Tornetta 2 years ago, the male is perhaps the most gorgeous Pastel Salmon i ever saw, he jumped off the page on KS classifieds and i just had to have him and his sister, they were being sold as a pair and represented as "het albino." They were sold to me from the same source however on a separate occasion as the "DH Sunglow" female that did not prove out. Anyway when i say these are beautiful i cannot state it clearly they are 10s and i dont believe anything is a 10, but these guys are. They were "pics of the litter" and even after being duped from this person, i believe they were. Anyway he fathered the litter that dropped yesterday, folks understand that for the past 3 and a half months i was dreaming of the most beautiful Sunglows ever seen. I hope you never have to feel the frustration i felt when at first glance into the cage i saw not 1 white snake....AGAIN!! AND FROM THE SAME JERK!!! I first took to separating the huge female from the litter to see what came about. After doing so I must say my frown turned into a smile when i saw that these were no ordinary Hets or Double Hets. However i have no clue as to what they are, some have said maybe Junlges but I am not the Jungle expert by any stretch of the imagination. Am not sure what else they could be, but they are definitely not normal. I am attaching a picture of 2 random babies and a picture of the sister to the male as he's in shed and testy and could not be seen properly. Just imagine him just as her only skinnier. Anyhow get me some feedback as to what they are or may be. THANKS!!

Babies

Sister to Father (almost identical in pattern and tail)

Replies (8)

esglobalherp Jul 12, 2008 09:05 PM

sick man.. what ever the genetics are , they are killer!

congrats again!
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Spencer
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Morgans Boas Jul 12, 2008 09:30 PM

Well they certainly have a Junlge look to them -- but that doesn't deem them as Jungles. You are going to have to breed one of those babies to a known Jungle and see if you produce Super Jungles.
BTW ----- They look terrific.
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Snake room janitor

mannymoney Jul 12, 2008 09:37 PM

Good one! i can breed that dad to one or maybe the sister..whatcha think? i can do this right away next season and i wont have to wait for these to mature.

Morgans Boas Jul 12, 2008 10:28 PM

breed him or his offspring to a known Jungle to determine if he's/they're a Jungle(s). It's the only true way to be able to call any of their offspring Jungles - no matter what they look like.
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Snake room janitor

esglobalherp Jul 12, 2008 11:41 PM

Here are some of what can pop out if they prove... That salmon is a smoker.

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Spencer
esglobalherp@gmail.com

esglobalherp Jul 12, 2008 11:44 PM

Paradox and Sunglow

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Spencer
esglobalherp@gmail.com

salmonboa.com Jul 13, 2008 02:26 AM

Hey Manny I wanted to throw up my 2 cents on this and share what I was thinking at first glance of your pics. The baby pics remind me very much of the Basically Boas Abby line of boas and our PCAbys. Also, the female that you showed looks like many of our adult PCAby girls that we have raised up over the last few years. I dont have pics at this moment to back up my point, but will post them when I get to the office if you want to see them. I just wonder if this guy has worked with any PC's from us or Aby's from Mike and if that is what the pair is that you acquired? Again this is just what I thought when I first saw the pics. Let me know if you want me to dig up some pics to either prove or reject this idea.

Congrats on the litters you did get by the way! Great looking babies.

Regards,
John
SALMONBOA.COM

mannymoney Jul 13, 2008 01:36 PM

thanks rich this is exact sort of data I am looking for! I am going to look in your site and mikes to see specimens. It means a lot you posted because although we talk often I didnt want to impose on you a bunch of questions cause I know how busy you are!

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