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It's been a while since I had my BRB and BCI, but I don't recall either of them ever doing this. Mendoza, my 3 month old ARB, was lying (mostly) on his back when I checked him this morning. (His
back half was turned over, and his upper half was behind the water bowl out of sight, so I initially thought he was dead.) He ate a hopper mouse about 4 days ago, and still has a slight bulge. He was laying over the hotspot, which is about 84 degrees. (Don't know the exact humidity, I just mist the enclosure every day or two.) Cool part of the cage is about 75 degrees.

Do I need to be worried? Just doesn't look normal to me, but I'm not sure what normal is.

Thanks for any assistance!

Ed

Hmmm, thought I replied...

I do see my gravid BRB females lying on their backs "belly up" I've also seen the males including Fluffy do that but rarely. Does make my heart skip a beat.

Did he right himself when you opened the cage?

IMO while not necessarily a bad sign, could be. Keep an eye on him and check your temps etc. Compared to proper numbers for that SSP...
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
26.49 BRB
20.21 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

Dave,

Yes, it scared the crap at of me, I thought for sure he was dead when I first saw him. (He's certainly not gravid! )

Great question about him righting himself, because that's one more thing that worried me - he didn't right himself even when
I lightly prodded him. One thing I forgot to mention is that I
just turned on the heat tape for his hot spot. I'm hoping he just did this to help digest his meal??? I just checked him, he's still on the hot spot but right side up.

Thanks!
Ed

>>Hmmm, thought I replied...
>>
>>I do see my gravid BRB females lying on their backs "belly up" I've also seen the males including Fluffy do that but rarely. Does make my heart skip a beat.
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>>Did he right himself when you opened the cage?
>>
>>
>>IMO while not necessarily a bad sign, could be. Keep an eye on him and check your temps etc. Compared to proper numbers for that SSP...
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>>Thanks,
>>
>>
>>Dave Colling
>>
>>www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com
>>
>>
>>
>>0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
>>0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)
>>
>>LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
>>26.49 BRB
>>20.21 BCI
>>And those are only the breeders
>>
>>lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

I would watchit, but not be too worried. I have a brb that seems to be upsidedown quite a bit. Once I start to handle it - he become normal and he is very healthy.
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Mike

7.13 BRB
1.2 Spotted Python
1.0 Cal. King

Thanks Mike. Good to know this is not totally out of the ordinary, I've just never seen it before with the handful of (non-gravid) snakes I've had.

Thanks,
Ed

>>I would watchit, but not be too worried. I have a brb that seems to be upsidedown quite a bit. Once I start to handle it - he become normal and he is very healthy.
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>>Mike
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>>7.13 BRB
>>1.2 Spotted Python
>>1.0 Cal. King

Ed,
....My adult ARBs both spend some time on their backs like that. I am in Florida and will check to see how many of the babies are doing it when I get home tomorrow. I think they do but I have not really noticed.
Jeff

>>It's been a while since I had my BRB and BCI, but I don't recall either of them ever doing this. Mendoza, my 3 month old ARB, was lying (mostly) on his back when I checked him this morning. (His
>>back half was turned over, and his upper half was behind the water bowl out of sight, so I initially thought he was dead.) He ate a hopper mouse about 4 days ago, and still has a slight bulge. He was laying over the hotspot, which is about 84 degrees. (Don't know the exact humidity, I just mist the enclosure every day or two.) Cool part of the cage is about 75 degrees.
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>>Do I need to be worried? Just doesn't look normal to me, but I'm not sure what normal is.
>>
>>Thanks for any assistance!
>>
>>Ed
>>
>>

Ed,
...Home now. All of them are right side up. You might back off on the hot spot down to 80 and see if he does anything differently.
Jeff

>>Ed,
>>....My adult ARBs both spend some time on their backs like that. I am in Florida and will check to see how many of the babies are doing it when I get home tomorrow. I think they do but I have not really noticed.
>>Jeff
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>>>>It's been a while since I had my BRB and BCI, but I don't recall either of them ever doing this. Mendoza, my 3 month old ARB, was lying (mostly) on his back when I checked him this morning. (His
>>>>back half was turned over, and his upper half was behind the water bowl out of sight, so I initially thought he was dead.) He ate a hopper mouse about 4 days ago, and still has a slight bulge. He was laying over the hotspot, which is about 84 degrees. (Don't know the exact humidity, I just mist the enclosure every day or two.) Cool part of the cage is about 75 degrees.
>>>>
>>>>Do I need to be worried? Just doesn't look normal to me, but I'm not sure what normal is.
>>>>
>>>>Thanks for any assistance!
>>>>
>>>>Ed
>>>>
>>>>

Hey Jeff,

Thanks, I'll give that a shot!

Ed

>>Ed,
>>...Home now. All of them are right side up. You might back off on the hot spot down to 80 and see if he does anything differently.
>>Jeff
>>
>>>>Ed,
>>>>....My adult ARBs both spend some time on their backs like that. I am in Florida and will check to see how many of the babies are doing it when I get home tomorrow. I think they do but I have not really noticed.
>>>>Jeff
>>>>
>>>>>>It's been a while since I had my BRB and BCI, but I don't recall either of them ever doing this. Mendoza, my 3 month old ARB, was lying (mostly) on his back when I checked him this morning. (His
>>>>>>back half was turned over, and his upper half was behind the water bowl out of sight, so I initially thought he was dead.) He ate a hopper mouse about 4 days ago, and still has a slight bulge. He was laying over the hotspot, which is about 84 degrees. (Don't know the exact humidity, I just mist the enclosure every day or two.) Cool part of the cage is about 75 degrees.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Do I need to be worried? Just doesn't look normal to me, but I'm not sure what normal is.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Thanks for any assistance!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Ed
>>>>>>
>>>>>>

He seems fine, went to the bathroom tonight, and hasn't laid on his back since I posted a couple days ago. Interesting.

Thanks for the input guys.

Ed

he looked like he needed to piss to me (noticed slight caudal bloating)and certain meals fill them up and they may lie like that cause it makes them feel more comfortable, he is fine and it is no sign of not being able to right themselves which is a symptom related to inclusion body disease, which is not what's wrong here IMO.

It's quite simple

He was bloated and needed to vacate is my call.

I have seen this bloat in many pythons and then they vacate and it goes away.

When one is uncomfortable they often try to get in a position to elevate the discomfort.

Go back and look at the pic's, the caudal distention is obvious.

>>He seems fine, went to the bathroom tonight, and hasn't laid on his back since I posted a couple days ago. Interesting.
>>
>>Thanks for the input guys.
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>>Ed
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Thanks,

I opened my mouth and out flowed a melody black.

>>he looked like he needed to piss to me (noticed slight caudal bloating)and certain meals fill them up and they may lie like that cause it makes them feel more comfortable, he is fine and it is no sign of not being able to right themselves which is a symptom related to inclusion body disease, which is not what's wrong here IMO.
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>>It's quite simple
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>>He was bloated and needed to vacate is my call.
>>
>>I have seen this bloat in many pythons and then they vacate and it goes away.
>>
>>When one is uncomfortable they often try to get in a position to elevate the discomfort.
>>
>>Go back and look at the pic's, the caudal distention is obvious.
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>>>>He seems fine, went to the bathroom tonight, and hasn't laid on his back since I posted a couple days ago. Interesting.
>>>>
>>>>Thanks for the input guys.
>>>>
>>>>Ed
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>> Roberts Realm Of Reptile Research
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>>Thanks,
>>
>>Frank Roberts
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>>I opened my mouth and out flowed a melody black.
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Roberts Realm Of Reptile Research
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Thanks,

I opened my mouth and out flowed a melody black.

it should be noted, I most often see this bloat when chickens are used as a prey source, I have also seen it with rodent prey, look at the bloat by the cloaca, I bet it has gone away after he vacated.

If your arm hurts, do you sleep on it ?

>>>>he looked like he needed to piss to me (noticed slight caudal bloating)and certain meals fill them up and they may lie like that cause it makes them feel more comfortable, he is fine and it is no sign of not being able to right themselves which is a symptom related to inclusion body disease, which is not what's wrong here IMO.
>>>>
>>>>It's quite simple
>>>>
>>>>He was bloated and needed to vacate is my call.
>>>>
>>>>I have seen this bloat in many pythons and then they vacate and it goes away.
>>>>
>>>>When one is uncomfortable they often try to get in a position to elevate the discomfort.
>>>>
>>>>Go back and look at the pic's, the caudal distention is obvious.
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>>>He seems fine, went to the bathroom tonight, and hasn't laid on his back since I posted a couple days ago. Interesting.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Thanks for the input guys.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Ed
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>>>>-----
>>>>=========================================================
>>>> Roberts Realm Of Reptile Research
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>>>>Thanks,
>>>>
>>>>Frank Roberts
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I opened my mouth and out flowed a melody black.
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>>=========================================================
>> Roberts Realm Of Reptile Research
>>=========================================================
>>Thanks,
>>
>>Frank Roberts
>>
>>
>>
>>I opened my mouth and out flowed a melody black.
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=========================================================
Roberts Realm Of Reptile Research
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Thanks,

I opened my mouth and out flowed a melody black.

>>it should be noted, I most often see this bloat when chickens are used as a prey source, I have also seen it with rodent prey, look at the bloat by the cloaca, I bet it has gone away after he vacated.
>>
>>If your arm hurts, do you sleep on it ?

Okay, okay, I get the point. I actually tried to help him out
with a warm bath the evening I found him upside down. He looked/acted fine yesterday after peeing/pooping, so I'm not really worried anymore. Thanks for the input.

Thanks,
Ed

a warm bath, best course of action IMO

"Okay, okay, I get the point. I actually tried to help him out"

What does this mean ?

Frank

>>>>it should be noted, I most often see this bloat when chickens are used as a prey source, I have also seen it with rodent prey, look at the bloat by the cloaca, I bet it has gone away after he vacated.
>>>>
>>>>If your arm hurts, do you sleep on it ?
>>
>>Okay, okay, I get the point. I actually tried to help him out
>>with a warm bath the evening I found him upside down. He looked/acted fine yesterday after peeing/pooping, so I'm not really worried anymore. Thanks for the input.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Ed
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Roberts Realm Of Reptile Research
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Thanks,

I opened my mouth and out flowed a melody black.

Just that I gave him a warm bath to try to aid in his belly
issue(s). Always helps me after a big meal.

Thanks,
Ed

>>a warm bath, best course of action IMO
>>
>>"Okay, okay, I get the point. I actually tried to help him out"
>>
>>What does this mean ?
>>
>>Frank
>>

after a big meal you like to take a nice long warm soak and sometimes vacate in the water? EEEeewwww
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
26.49 BRB
20.21 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

How do you think the water gets warm?

>>after a big meal you like to take a nice long warm soak and sometimes vacate in the water? EEEeewwww
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>>Thanks,
>>
>>
>>Dave Colling
>>
>>www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com
>>
>>
>>
>>0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
>>0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)
>>
>>LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
>>26.49 BRB
>>20.21 BCI
>>And those are only the breeders
>>
>>lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

A warped sense of humor!!!!

Good one, I actually snorted when I read it!!!
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
26.49 BRB
20.21 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

That's what's nice about this forum, a lot of folks
with a warped sense of humor.

Let's just hope we don't PEE anyone off!!!

Thanks,
Ed

>>A warped sense of humor!!!!
>>
>>Good one, I actually snorted when I read it!!!
>>-----
>>Thanks,
>>
>>
>>Dave Colling
>>
>>www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com
>>
>>
>>
>>0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
>>0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)
>>
>>LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
>>26.49 BRB
>>20.21 BCI
>>And those are only the breeders
>>
>>lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

I was not trying to be a "Richard", I simply noticed the bloat and what u said when he vacated and was trying to take your worries away, I meant no offense!

>>Just that I gave him a warm bath to try to aid in his belly
>>issue(s). Always helps me after a big meal.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Ed
>>
>>>>a warm bath, best course of action IMO
>>>>
>>>>"Okay, okay, I get the point. I actually tried to help him out"
>>>>
>>>>What does this mean ?
>>>>
>>>>Frank
>>>>
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Roberts Realm Of Reptile Research
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Thanks,

I opened my mouth and out flowed a melody black.

Sorry, I was probably being the "Richard", probably took your posts the wrong way. That's the downside of internet communication, sometimes things get badly misinterpreted.

No worries, I *always* appreciate your input, and that you share your experience! It is quite helpful.

Thanks,
Ed

>>I was not trying to be a "Richard", I simply noticed the bloat and what u said when he vacated and was trying to take your worries away, I meant no offense!
>>
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>>
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>>>>Just that I gave him a warm bath to try to aid in his belly
>>>>issue(s). Always helps me after a big meal.
>>>>
>>>>Thanks,
>>>>Ed
>>>>
>>>>>>a warm bath, best course of action IMO
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"Okay, okay, I get the point. I actually tried to help him out"
>>>>>>
>>>>>>What does this mean ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Frank
>>>>>>
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>>=========================================================
>> Roberts Realm Of Reptile Research
>>=========================================================
>>Thanks,
>>
>>Frank Roberts
>>
>>
>>
>>I opened my mouth and out flowed a melody black.

If I am going to be a dick, I am going to be a dick.

I read all the other responces and saw no one noticed what I thought was your snakes issue. I actualy waited to see if they said my opinion first. I sometimes don't respond out right.

>>Sorry, I was probably being the "Richard", probably took your posts the wrong way. That's the downside of internet communication, sometimes things get badly misinterpreted.
>>
>>No worries, I *always* appreciate your input, and that you share your experience! It is quite helpful.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Ed
>>
>>>>I was not trying to be a "Richard", I simply noticed the bloat and what u said when he vacated and was trying to take your worries away, I meant no offense!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>Just that I gave him a warm bath to try to aid in his belly
>>>>>>issue(s). Always helps me after a big meal.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Thanks,
>>>>>>Ed
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>a warm bath, best course of action IMO
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"Okay, okay, I get the point. I actually tried to help him out"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>What does this mean ?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Frank
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>=========================================================
>>>> Roberts Realm Of Reptile Research
>>>>=========================================================
>>>>Thanks,
>>>>
>>>>Frank Roberts
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I opened my mouth and out flowed a melody black.
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Roberts Realm Of Reptile Research
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Thanks,

I opened my mouth and out flowed a melody black.

I HIGHLY repect them both and sometimes I am a dick about it LOL!! (smiles)

>>If I am going to be a dick, I am going to be a dick.
>>
>>I read all the other responces and saw no one noticed what I thought was your snakes issue. I actualy waited to see if they said my opinion first. I sometimes don't respond out right.
>>
>>
>>
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>>>>Sorry, I was probably being the "Richard", probably took your posts the wrong way. That's the downside of internet communication, sometimes things get badly misinterpreted.
>>>>
>>>>No worries, I *always* appreciate your input, and that you share your experience! It is quite helpful.
>>>>
>>>>Thanks,
>>>>Ed
>>>>
>>>>>>I was not trying to be a "Richard", I simply noticed the bloat and what u said when he vacated and was trying to take your worries away, I meant no offense!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Just that I gave him a warm bath to try to aid in his belly
>>>>>>>>issue(s). Always helps me after a big meal.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Thanks,
>>>>>>>>Ed
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>a warm bath, best course of action IMO
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>"Okay, okay, I get the point. I actually tried to help him out"
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>What does this mean ?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Frank
>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>=========================================================
>>>>>> Roberts Realm Of Reptile Research
>>>>>>=========================================================
>>>>>>Thanks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Frank Roberts
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I opened my mouth and out flowed a melody black.
>>-----
>>=========================================================
>> Roberts Realm Of Reptile Research
>>=========================================================
>>Thanks,
>>
>>Frank Roberts
>>
>>
>>
>>I opened my mouth and out flowed a melody black.
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Roberts Realm Of Reptile Research
=========================================================
Thanks,

I opened my mouth and out flowed a melody black.

I honestly did not notice. Not something I've really dealt with before.

So, do you think less of me or am I now more human, less whatever?
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
26.49 BRB
20.21 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

i respect you just the same, we ALL learn something every day, I learn more then one thing on a typical day.

>>I honestly did not notice. Not something I've really dealt with before.
>>
>>So, do you think less of me or am I now more human, less whatever?
>>-----
>>Thanks,
>>
>>
>>Dave Colling
>>
>>www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com
>>
>>
>>
>>0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
>>0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)
>>
>>LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
>>26.49 BRB
>>20.21 BCI
>>And those are only the breeders
>>
>>lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats
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Roberts Realm Of Reptile Research
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Thanks,

I opened my mouth and out flowed a melody black.

Frank,
...My excuse was that I was on vacation. Of course most of my life is a vacation so I miss a lot of things. I do agree that when snakes lay in strange positions they are probably trying to get comfortable as often as they are trying to thermoregulate.
Jeff

>>i respect you just the same, we ALL learn something every day, I learn more then one thing on a typical day.
>>
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>>>>I honestly did not notice. Not something I've really dealt with before.
>>>>
>>>>So, do you think less of me or am I now more human, less whatever?
>>>>-----
>>>>Thanks,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Dave Colling
>>>>
>>>>www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
>>>>0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)
>>>>
>>>>LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
>>>>26.49 BRB
>>>>20.21 BCI
>>>>And those are only the breeders
>>>>
>>>>lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats
>>-----
>>=========================================================
>> Roberts Realm Of Reptile Research
>>=========================================================
>>Thanks,
>>
>>Frank Roberts
>>
>>
>>
>>I opened my mouth and out flowed a melody black.

to be honest....

I was just busting you and dave's chops as I sometimes do LOL!!

>>Frank,
>>...My excuse was that I was on vacation. Of course most of my life is a vacation so I miss a lot of things. I do agree that when snakes lay in strange positions they are probably trying to get comfortable as often as they are trying to thermoregulate.
>>Jeff
>>
>>>>i respect you just the same, we ALL learn something every day, I learn more then one thing on a typical day.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>I honestly did not notice. Not something I've really dealt with before.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>So, do you think less of me or am I now more human, less whatever?
>>>>>>-----
>>>>>>Thanks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Dave Colling
>>>>>>
>>>>>>www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
>>>>>>0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
>>>>>>26.49 BRB
>>>>>>20.21 BCI
>>>>>>And those are only the breeders
>>>>>>
>>>>>>lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats
>>>>-----
>>>>=========================================================
>>>> Roberts Realm Of Reptile Research
>>>>=========================================================
>>>>Thanks,
>>>>
>>>>Frank Roberts
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I opened my mouth and out flowed a melody black.
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Roberts Realm Of Reptile Research
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Thanks,

I opened my mouth and out flowed a melody black.

Busting our chops? I hadn't ever noticed that. Your posts are always dead serious.

>>to be honest....
>>
>>I was just busting you and dave's chops as I sometimes do LOL!!
>>
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>>>>Frank,
>>>>...My excuse was that I was on vacation. Of course most of my life is a vacation so I miss a lot of things. I do agree that when snakes lay in strange positions they are probably trying to get comfortable as often as they are trying to thermoregulate.
>>>>Jeff
>>>>
>>>>>>i respect you just the same, we ALL learn something every day, I learn more then one thing on a typical day.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I honestly did not notice. Not something I've really dealt with before.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>So, do you think less of me or am I now more human, less whatever?
>>>>>>>>-----
>>>>>>>>Thanks,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Dave Colling
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
>>>>>>>>0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
>>>>>>>>26.49 BRB
>>>>>>>>20.21 BCI
>>>>>>>>And those are only the breeders
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats
>>>>>>-----
>>>>>>=========================================================
>>>>>> Roberts Realm Of Reptile Research
>>>>>>=========================================================
>>>>>>Thanks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Frank Roberts
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I opened my mouth and out flowed a melody black.
>>-----
>>=========================================================
>> Roberts Realm Of Reptile Research
>>=========================================================
>>Thanks,
>>
>>Frank Roberts
>>
>>
>>
>>I opened my mouth and out flowed a melody black.

>>Busting our chops? I hadn't ever noticed that. Your posts are always dead serious.
>>
>>
>>>>to be honest....
>>>>
>>>>I was just busting you and dave's chops as I sometimes do LOL!!
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>>>Frank,
>>>>>>...My excuse was that I was on vacation. Of course most of my life is a vacation so I miss a lot of things. I do agree that when snakes lay in strange positions they are probably trying to get comfortable as often as they are trying to thermoregulate.
>>>>>>Jeff
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>i respect you just the same, we ALL learn something every day, I learn more then one thing on a typical day.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>I honestly did not notice. Not something I've really dealt with before.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>So, do you think less of me or am I now more human, less whatever?
>>>>>>>>>>-----
>>>>>>>>>>Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Dave Colling
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
>>>>>>>>>>0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
>>>>>>>>>>26.49 BRB
>>>>>>>>>>20.21 BCI
>>>>>>>>>>And those are only the breeders
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats
>>>>>>>>-----
>>>>>>>>=========================================================
>>>>>>>> Roberts Realm Of Reptile Research
>>>>>>>>=========================================================
>>>>>>>>Thanks,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Frank Roberts
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I opened my mouth and out flowed a melody black.
>>>>-----
>>>>=========================================================
>>>> Roberts Realm Of Reptile Research
>>>>=========================================================
>>>>Thanks,
>>>>
>>>>Frank Roberts
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I opened my mouth and out flowed a melody black.
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Roberts Realm Of Reptile Research
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Thanks,

I opened my mouth and out flowed a melody black.

lighten up and have some fun> Not always be so serious!!!!

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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
26.49 BRB
20.21 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

>>Just that I gave him a warm bath to try to aid in his belly
>>issue(s). Always helps me after a big meal.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Ed
>>
>>>>a warm bath, best course of action IMO
>>>>
>>>>"Okay, okay, I get the point. I actually tried to help him out"
>>>>
>>>>What does this mean ?
>>>>
>>>>Frank
>>>>
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Thanks,

I opened my mouth and out flowed a melody black.