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I bought my brooks 2 yrs ago at the Daytona show, and it was labled "high orange appalachicola kingsnake". First off, what is the difference between an App. and a Brooks? Second, what does "high orange" mean? Does he have a genetic disposition for more orange coloring, or was this probably just a sales trick?

CAN YOU POST A PIC SO WE CAN PROPERLY IDENTIFY WHAT YOU HAVE?

Aplachicola king is classified under "meansi" or formerly "goini" under nomenclature. Some hobbiests call them Goini.

The Florida king (aka Brooks king) is a close cousin of the Apalachicola king. The name Brooks is from brooksi and that name has been down away with in nomenclature as well and is currently called "floridana".

Both of these "getula" exist in Florida.
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ÌÏËÙÍ ËÁÂE!

"I have high friends in places."-H.Sherman in some bar

I'll throw up some pics tonight. Thanks

last one, which shows the orange

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1.0 C/B Brooks
0.1 C/B Pueblan
0.0.1 W/C Scarlet King
0.0.1 W/C Yellow Rat
0.0.1 W/C Western Garter
1.0 C/B Black Lab
1.0 C/B Min. PoodleXAmer. Eskimo hybrid
1.0 C/B Goofy Cat
1.2 C/B Children
0.1 W/C wife

here you are

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1.0 C/B Brooks
0.1 C/B Pueblan
0.0.1 W/C Scarlet King
0.0.1 W/C Yellow Rat
0.0.1 W/C Western Garter
1.0 C/B Black Lab
1.0 C/B Min. PoodleXAmer. Eskimo hybrid
1.0 C/B Goofy Cat
1.2 C/B Children
0.1 W/C wife

another

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1.0 C/B Brooks
0.1 C/B Pueblan
0.0.1 W/C Scarlet King
0.0.1 W/C Yellow Rat
0.0.1 W/C Western Garter
1.0 C/B Black Lab
1.0 C/B Min. PoodleXAmer. Eskimo hybrid
1.0 C/B Goofy Cat
1.2 C/B Children
0.1 W/C wife

last one. I never realized how hard they were to photo!

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1.0 C/B Brooks
0.1 C/B Pueblan
0.0.1 W/C Scarlet King
0.0.1 W/C Yellow Rat
0.0.1 W/C Western Garter
1.0 C/B Black Lab
1.0 C/B Min. PoodleXAmer. Eskimo hybrid
1.0 C/B Goofy Cat
1.2 C/B Children
0.1 W/C wife

brooksi, floridana.....whatever you want to call it. Very nice indeed! Definately not an Apalachicola.

Brandon Osborne
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www.brandonosbornereptiles.com

Very nice brooksi(floridana), but don't see the slightest hint of Apalachicola(goini) at all.....again, a very nice example of the more southern form!

~Doug
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"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!"

Thanks! he still has a bunch of orange in him, and I am wondering if that is merely normal for him or might there be something to the "High orange" lable they gave him as a toddler?
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1.0 C/B Brooks
0.1 C/B Pueblan
0.0.1 W/C Scarlet King
0.0.1 W/C Yellow Rat
0.0.1 W/C Western Garter
1.0 C/B Black Lab
1.0 C/B Min. PoodleXAmer. Eskimo hybrid
1.0 C/B Goofy Cat
1.2 C/B Children
0.1 W/C wife

Well,...hatchlings many times start out with having a large amount of reds/oranges on their sides, and as they mature, these colors tend to fade out somewhat,...although some do retain some of these colors, but usually to a much lesser degree than when they were hatchlings. Also, these colors tend to be replaced by yellow in the better examples of floridana(brooksi)

this is a pic of a female hatchling with a good amount of reds/oranges when young

Here is another pic of the exact same female several months later,.....BIG difference!

~Doug
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"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!"

yeah, that kinda looks like he did

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1.0 C/B Brooks
0.1 C/B Pueblan
0.0.1 W/C Scarlet King
0.0.1 W/C Yellow Rat
0.0.1 W/C Western Garter
1.0 C/B Black Lab
1.0 C/B Min. PoodleXAmer. Eskimo hybrid
1.0 C/B Goofy Cat
1.2 C/B Children
0.1 W/C wife

darn blurriness

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1.0 C/B Brooks
0.1 C/B Pueblan
0.0.1 W/C Scarlet King
0.0.1 W/C Yellow Rat
0.0.1 W/C Western Garter
1.0 C/B Black Lab
1.0 C/B Min. PoodleXAmer. Eskimo hybrid
1.0 C/B Goofy Cat
1.2 C/B Children
0.1 W/C wife

while I'm in photobucket.....

Here is a DOR coral I found (posed to mess with my buddies!)

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1.0 C/B Brooks
0.1 C/B Pueblan
0.0.1 W/C Scarlet King
0.0.1 W/C Yellow Rat
0.0.1 W/C Western Garter
1.0 C/B Black Lab
1.0 C/B Min. PoodleXAmer. Eskimo hybrid
1.0 C/B Goofy Cat
1.2 C/B Children
0.1 W/C wife

...and a W/C corn i had back in florida. This monster was over 4 feet long even with a very stub tail. She also had one eye. She was released back into the wild after fattening her up!

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1.0 C/B Brooks
0.1 C/B Pueblan
0.0.1 W/C Scarlet King
0.0.1 W/C Yellow Rat
0.0.1 W/C Western Garter
1.0 C/B Black Lab
1.0 C/B Min. PoodleXAmer. Eskimo hybrid
1.0 C/B Goofy Cat
1.2 C/B Children
0.1 W/C wife

....my yellow rat last summer. It is now nearly 40". It was found by my oldest (11 at the time) under my wife's purse when we lived in Melbourne, Fla.

Thanks for looking!

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1.0 C/B Brooks
0.1 C/B Pueblan
0.0.1 W/C Scarlet King
0.0.1 W/C Yellow Rat
0.0.1 W/C Western Garter
1.0 C/B Black Lab
1.0 C/B Min. PoodleXAmer. Eskimo hybrid
1.0 C/B Goofy Cat
1.2 C/B Children
0.1 W/C wife

It's always neat to see wild corns, and how different they look from the vast majority of captive bred corns.
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I decided my old sig was too big.

i had another one that would have been a breeder's dream, brilliant whites and oranges. Unfortunately, I never photographed him. I caught that one with a mouse 1/2 way down his throat. Fed like a brooks too. He too is back terrorizing the local rodent populous.
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1.0 C/B Brooks
0.1 C/B Pueblan
0.0.1 W/C Scarlet King
0.0.1 W/C Yellow Rat
0.0.1 W/C Western Garter
1.0 C/B Black Lab
1.0 C/B Min. PoodleXAmer. Eskimo hybrid
1.0 C/B Goofy Cat
1.2 C/B Children
0.1 W/C wife

Great stuff!.....

man!,....that Coral Snake was a real beauty!,...too bad it wasn't alive!

Here is a very nice female I captured in western Palm Bay, not far from where you used to live back in '05

And an exceptional male Yellow Rat from only about 100 feet or so from where I caught the corn two months prior!

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"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!"

that is one fat/phat corn, and your rat looks like a sibling of mine with the two parallel dark lines. Since you know the area, I caught mine in Suntree. Man, I never knew what herping potential I really had down there
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1.0 C/B Brooks
0.1 C/B Pueblan
0.0.1 W/C Scarlet King
0.0.1 W/C Yellow Rat
0.0.1 W/C Western Garter
1.0 C/B Black Lab
1.0 C/B Min. PoodleXAmer. Eskimo hybrid
1.0 C/B Goofy Cat
1.2 C/B Children
0.1 W/C wife

Do you have a recent photo of it?,...is that one pic you posted of it when it was young after you caught it under your wifes purse?...BTW,...how the heck did THAT happen?

Yeah, that's too funny that you know the area well like that!..LOL! I'm familiar with the place you mentioned,,haha!

BTW,..thanks for the nice comment too!
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"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!"

I will take one today. I don't know how he ended up under her purse. Granted, it was on the floor, but it was on the floor inside our house! The house is a 2000 Mercedes home, cinder block built, so it must have come in through a door or window even though florida summers don't allow you to keep them open very much. However it came to be, it was a freak occurance.
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1.0 C/B Brooks
0.1 C/B Pueblan
0.0.1 W/C Scarlet King
0.0.1 W/C Yellow Rat
0.0.1 W/C Western Garter
1.0 C/B Black Lab
1.0 C/B Min. PoodleXAmer. Eskimo hybrid
1.0 C/B Goofy Cat
1.2 C/B Children
0.1 W/C wife

That's pretty wild, I grew up in Melbourne, actually I just got back from Grant(home of the Grant Seafood Festival) today. My parents still live over there. I remember when there was nothing in Suntree or Palm Bay. Boy, have things changed now. It's becoming like most of Florida...crowded.
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Kevin
www.harrellandsonsherps.com

you are right. I had a 100 acre forest behind my house in Suntree, but they recently tore it down for a bunch of $600K homes that aren't even selling. We had a panther back there, multiple tortoises, and snakes up the butt. It breaks my heart
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1.0 C/B Brooks
0.1 C/B Pueblan
0.0.1 W/C Scarlet King
0.0.1 W/C Yellow Rat
0.0.1 W/C Western Garter
1.0 C/B Black Lab
1.0 C/B Min. PoodleXAmer. Eskimo hybrid
1.0 C/B Goofy Cat
1.2 C/B Children
0.1 W/C wife

To a taxonomist, all he snakes formerly classified as brooksi (South Florida kingsnake) are now floridana, but all floridana were not brooksi.
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Lindsay Pike
Urotopia Uromastyx

Right you are Lindsay!,...I forgot to stress that point earlier in my post.

Good luck with your production this year buddy!

~Doug
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"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!"

Do you remember the breeder'd name?
That looks very much like a friend's (Bill S.)line and he specifically calls them "Hi-orange". I also have them and breed them to my other FL kings.
email me for more info
:Mark
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Surrender Dorothy!

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NP

Mark, would that be Bill Schneideck(spelling?)? I agree, he has some very nice orange brooksi. I'm getting anxious for Daytona with all this vendor talk! lol. It's been too long.

Brandon Osborne
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www.brandonosbornereptiles.com

Yes Brandon. It's Bill Schmeidecke. He's completely out of the colubrids now and does only boas.

:Mark
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Surrender Dorothy!

crimsonking.piczo.com/

>>Yes Brandon. It's Bill Schmeidecke. He's completely out of the colubrids now and does only boas.
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>>:Mark
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>>Surrender Dorothy!
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>>crimsonking.piczo.com/

Nice boa, but that sucks he is out of colubrids. He had some great kings.

Brandon
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www.brandonosbornereptiles.com

this is a female i got Bill in 04 at Daytona...Still a virgin

"Schmiedecke Kings"



AND THE MOM

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Kevin
www.harrellandsonsherps.com

the red used to be hypo melan /hyper Xanthic..... now the white (old)hypoappears to contradict hypo/hyper?...........Need to call PB something else ...And the rockets red Glare ...C

I' must not be able to comorehend what you're saying there since I am not a collegiate, I guess.
There were always yellowish hypos and red ones and some in between.
Again, not sure what you meant.
:Mark
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Surrender Dorothy!

crimsonking.piczo.com/

Also,I cannot seem to spell or type!
:Mark
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Surrender Dorothy!

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you can type..you just can't spell. Am I right?..or is it write?
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Richard Evans

no not THAT one

n/p
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I decided my old sig was too big.

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"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!"

i was meaning to say that the present hypo is quite hyper xanthic except for the bone colored ones.
sorry for my accurate puctuations and abreviations..LOL

True,..they could VERY well be from his line from some other breeder that had some of his stock, but it's hard to figure how anyone that has any knowledge about these kings would even "think" of adding the "Apalachicola" thing onto their label....but that's just how things go nowadays, and we see it all the time.

~Doug
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"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!"

There's no way Bill called it an Apalachicola king.
I have Apalchicola kings and Bill did many years ago but we never crossed them.
He did pop out some weird stuff that did not look anything like the one posted above. They were from some of Andy's "dream kings"
and after a few generations produced things like this:

:Mark
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Surrender Dorothy!

crimsonking.piczo.com/

> "There's no way Bill called it an Apalachicola king".

*** Right,..that's what I meant about someone else possibly getting some animals from Bill's line , or wherever, and adding the name Apalachicola onto the label, because Bill sure didn't add it to that brooksi posted. But it surely is a nice looking one, regardless of wherever it came from!

Man!,....that pic you posted is "freaky-deekie"!!!,....crazy looking light head too!,.. not to mention the insane red!

later, Mark!, ~Doug
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"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!"