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Just went on big Mikes website, and Im not sure about something..... Either Im confused about the genetics, or I disagree with a few statements about the ParaGlow.....

I am no expert on the paradigms, but the way I understand it, and correct me if I'm wrong which I may be..... The Boawoman Caramel Hypo works as a simple recessive gene. As does the Sharp Strain Albino. Breeding a BW Caramel Hypo x Sharp Albino created the Paradigm, which is a visual double heteroygous animal. Looks different from normal wild-type appearing offspring that would be het for either the BW hypo or sharp albino.

So this double het is het for both BW Hypo and Sharp strain. Got it so far. Take this double het animal, (paradigm), and breed it to a DH Sharp Strain sunglow, which in turn created the PARAGLOW, which breaks down to a Sharp Sunglow that is 50% possible het for BW Caramel Hypo. I say it is 50% het for BW Hypo because the DH Sharp sunglow did not have that BW Hypo gene which is recessive. So the offsrping come out as 50% hets

With me so far? Now here's the problem I dont understand. And again, I may be confused, so correct me if Im wrong. On Big Mike's website, he clearly states that this paraglow was created using a paradigm/DH Sharp sunglow breeding. Which is why I used this example. But when you look up the Paraglow on his website, he states, and I quote- "Make NO mistake, the Paraglow IS a T+ Sunglow as it is a Hypo form of T+ Albino."

Now slow down just a minute. T-positive is a recessive trait all of it's own, not compatible with sharp albino or BW Caramel Hypo. So how is this Paraglow a T-Positive sunglow? I do agree the T-positive sunglow will come out looking very similiar to this paraglow Mike has created, but the genetics stated here don't match up..... In order to produce a T-positive sunglow, you would have to breed a T-positive to a salmon/hypo, which would produce DH T-Positive sunglows. Breed that DH back to a T-positive, which would give you the T-Positive Sunglow

Again, I am no expert on the paraglow genetics, so maybe I skipped over something important. But this is how I understand it, which doesn't make any sense to me. Can anybody provide some insight?????????

you are right i checked out the site too and that is what it says and if you go to the info adout the paradigm it says right there about the boawoman hypo and i quoye "This is not to be confused with the VPI “T-Positive” Albino also known as Caramel Albinos."but then again im still learning the genetics myself so maybe im wrong too

np

Some one just told me to read the paradigm genetics part 2
and it explains it better Sorry like i said new to all the genetics out there

there is light. Now I understand. I still think it needs to be proven out through breeding, but I see how it could be possible..... Awesome work Mike!

Just remembered something.....

The babies that I said were sharp sunglows 50% het would not be the paraglow. The paraglow would be the sharp sunglow that is het. in essence, you could tell apart the boas that are het for BW Hypo from the ones that are not because the way the gene interacts with Sharp Strain albino makes them visually different.

But my arguement is this, the paraglow is a Sharp sunglow het for BW Hypo. No where in any of Mikes breedings was a t-positive boa ever thrown into the mix, so how can it be assumed that this is a t-positive sunglow? Mike is claiming that the mixture of BW Hypo/Sharp strain albino is a t-positive, which is not true because like I said, T-positive is a gene all of its own which works as a simple recessive.

Actually the paraglow is a "hypo paradigm" or a hypo/sharp/bw caramel all rolled into one. T is not referring to one particular morph, but rather a gentic term which has to do with protien inside of the animals genetic code.

The animals of the VPI lineage known as "carmel albinos" may or may not be "t positive" that has yet to be determined, as with the animals from the paradigm lineage. Now it is assumed that both animals (VPI and Paradigms) are a form of t because of their incompatibility with the kahl strain albino, whcih most assume is a t - albino.

Further breedings and tests need to be done, but what throws a loop is that the sharp and the VPI animals were proven to be incompatible in making a new phenotype when bred to each other, but the question remains is that will the double hets create a whole new phenotype?

So for now until further tests can be created, a paradigm, a vpi carmel albino, a bw caramel, a sharp and the paraglow could all be considered some form of t expressing animal.

Bottome line.................you better have them all in your collection, because you never know what might pop up next!

Chris

Great post!

You said the paraglow is a hypo/sharp albino/BW Caramel hypo all rolled into one. Which equals 1 dominant gene (hypo) and 2 recessive genes (BW Caramel and Sharp albino) all in 1. What I dont understand is how that came about.... I dont have mikes webpage open anymore, but if I remember correctly, he bred a paradigm to a DH Sharp sunglow and created the paraglow. By doing that breeding, I see how it would create a Sharp sunglow that is het for BW Hypo, which would give it that paraglow look because we already know the sharp/BW Hypo mixed together make a funky snake. But the DH Sharp sunglow did not have the BW Hypo gene, only the paradigm had it. So the paraglow would be a sharp sunglow that looks so weird because it is het for BW Hypo...... Or am I still overlooking something? The only way I see the animal being able to display all 3 genes would be if the DH Sharp sunglow also was het for BW Hypo, but in that case, it wouldnt actually be a DH Sharp sunglow, it would look completely different because of the way the sharp/BW Hypo genes react with eachother. Which I guess would be a hypo paradigm? (not sure if there is a different name for that one yet?)

I guess in essence, I see how the paraglow has 2 out of 3 genes displayed. Hypo is dominant, both parents were het for sharp strain, but only 1 parent was het for BW Hypo, which works as a recessive trait.... I dont get it....

you said it's a hypo paradigm.... If I understand right, a paradigm is a double-het for sharp/BW Hypo....

So the paraglow is a triple het in a way? hypo that is DH Sharp/BW HYpo???????

A Paraglow could be considered a"triple" animal. The part that throws everyone for a loop is that the two recessive genes(sharp and bw caramel) come together in the first breeding to create a whole new phenotype, aka the paradigm. Unlike say a snow boa where you would have to create the visual double hets and then breed those to each other to get the snow.

Chris

Late last year we posted a series of detailed discussions on Paradigm genetics. We have been working on updating some of the details in those materials and working up a parallel series of graphics using modern genetic notation rather than Mendelian (it all works essentially the same way but different symbols are used), but the content of those posts remains essentially correct (the kinds of details we are updating include, for example, what we had referred to as the Paradigm locus would more correctly be called the Sharp-albino locus - by convention, a locus is named after the first mutant allele identified at that locus).

Links to that series of posts in the KS archives are presented below:

Paradigm Genetics and Parahets
Paradigms #1 - Basic Genetics Refresher
Paradigms #2 - Paradigm Genetics
Paradigms #3 - Parahets
Paradigms #4 - Multiple Traits

The last post in that list shows the results of a test cross of a Paradigm to a Sharp Sunglow, which results in 1/4 of the litter being Paraglows. The Paradigm to DH Sharp Sunglow breeding that resulted in the first Paraglow statistically produces the following:

1/8 Salmon-hypo Paradigm = Paraglow
1/8 Sharp Sunglow
1/8 Paradigm
1/8 Sharp Albino
1/4 Salmon-hypo 100% Parahet
1/4 100% Parahet

We are hoping to complete our editing of these materials and to have them up on our website - and to send them to Big Mike for his website (sorry so long getting these to you Mike!) - within the next month.

Once you have made your way through these posts, feel free to respond with any further questions you may have by post or email. Best regards,

Steve Reiners

www.BoaMorph.com

Steve thanks for those Links and clarifications. Its all very interesting.
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I think your confusion arises from the fact that you keep saying the paraglow is a sharp sunglow het boawoman caramel.

Think of it this way, for paradigm x dh sharp sunglow.

First ignore the hypo part and pretend it is a paradigm x het sharp breeding.
The paradigm's gene pair is a sharp gene and a boawoman caramel gene. The het sharp's gene pair is a sharp gene and a normal gene. When bred together, each baby gets one gene from each parent. So, the possibilities include:

1 sharp gene with 1 boawoman caramel gene = paradigm
1 sharp gene with 1 sharp gene = sharp albino
1 normal gene with 1 boa woman caramel gene = het caramel (normal looking)
1 normal gene with 1 sharp gene = het sharp (normal looking)

Now, in the first scenario, you produce the paradigm. Now add in the fact that one parent was hypo, and you have half of those being parglows (meaning hypo het sharp het caramel)

Hope that helps.

Matt