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I guess I don't get out much. There is cool looking Ghost Honduran that appears to also be an Extreme I just don't get the "Mega" designation. Looking "mega" up in Websters says that mega is from the Greek word megas meaning LARGE. So I guess my question is that particular snake from a line of gaint Hondurans found on some long lost mountain the Sierra Madres......Or is it a marketing ploy? The Loves' did a great job of naming the many corn morphs they produced in the 90's. If the "Mega" is referring to genetic traits as they relate to color then maybe "Mega" is not the best fit. Could someone explain the "MEGA" trait and maybe show some proof?

Thanx

Scott Sweeney

in short "mega" meaning large or in mass quanity as reffered to the mega hypo and ghost would equate a "large" reduction in melenin. not actually physically large.
at least that is my geuss. mega is just a new wording used to differentiate between two hypo lines or possibly 2 differant genes. the genetics have not been fully worked out as of yet.
adam
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" a.k.a. farfrumugen "
When I die, I want to go peacefully like my Grandfather did, in his sleep -- not screaming, like the passengers in his car.

Adam,
Nice try but I'm not sure your "Geuss" cuts it. You are right about one thing there are 2 genes....the hypo gene which produces less melanin to varying degrees and there is the famous & unpredicable Extreme gene produced by Mike Falcon a few moons ago. It would probably be best for the ones boosting of MEGA this and that to fill everyone in on the secret with actual visual proof.....instead of guessing. I personally would be very excited if it is proven that there is some new recessive genes to "play" with and happy for the person producing the next IT snake. Splitting hairs about how HYPO or EXTREME a snake is and the giving out 20 names explaining them would be like giving a Dalmation with a few spots the name Dalamtion and one loaded with spots a MEGA DALMATION...arf arf

Scott Sweeney
Sweeney's Serpents

Well you will only get a guess until further breedings have been complete.

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don't marry the cow when the milk is free when the milk drys up it's time for a new cow

Nice snake! ........ but giving names to mythical beasts? Test breed and prove it.......the old fashion way. I still want to know what the inventor of the "MEGA" meant then maybe we can take their animals name off the list of other megas myths.........

MEGA LOCH NESS MONSTER
MEGA BIG FOOT (not the truck)
Mega Cyclops
Mega Medusa
Megadeth ( rock on!)
Mega Hondo

Scott Sweeney

What was that megadeath thing you posted? The snake pictured is Terry's from his mega line. The name was debated here for a while and was done so to keep it separate from the falcon line. Check through the old posts and you should find some info.
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don't marry the cow when the milk is free when the milk drys up it's time for a new cow

I am aware of of the past threads. I think Terry jumped the gun in order to name his own line of snakes. Rumor has it they did not prove out. I honestly hope he would have proved them out. He needs to show the recent clutch and if it did not prove out put the term MEGA away for another day.

Thanx Scott

PS...MEGADETH was a rock band not a mythical beast, however some of their music was beasty.

I quote Leo Getz (Joe Pesci) from Lethal Weapon III: "Telephone tough guy".
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Jerry Kruse

"When the character of a man is not clear to you, look to his friends." -- Japanese Proverb

Charlie ,thanks for your input ,and support
take care

Terry M

DMV

NO problem. Has the other albino laid yet?
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don't marry the cow when the milk is free when the milk drys up it's time for a new cow

She has been in the box for two days ,this is the 8th day after shed

Terry M

Very cool. Keep me posted
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don't marry the cow when the milk is free when the milk drys up it's time for a new cow

Thanks for your positive input Adam ,

Terry M

Vietnam.....DMV

i love your line and someday ill get some from ya!!
i didnt realize the question was actually an a-hole trolling.
i thought it was someone actually wanting to know something instead of just trying to stir a pot of crap
adam jeffery

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" a.k.a. farfrumugen "
When I die, I want to go peacefully like my Grandfather did, in his sleep -- not screaming, like the passengers in his car.

Ok Scott ,I am dropping the name Mega ,I don't want to get anyone confused ,and frankly I don't want people raising such a fuss over a name and only a name . I just know that every snake that leaves my place will have a line name so there is never a question where the animal came from .I by far am no expert at this and have only been breeding hondurans for 7 years.I first started breeding snakes in 1965 .As of today my aninals will be listed as TMxtremes....... period

thanks

Terry Maheuron
Proud
Vietnam...Disabled American Veteran 1969-1970........TMxtremes

I'm sorry that people out there are poking at you for this exciting stuff...I don't see why it is such an issue for some...

You are one of the nicest people in this hobby and it is upsetting to see this kind of thing happen...it is uncalled for in my opinion.

My advice... call them whatever you want...they are yours, period.

Does it really matter to anyone if they are called:

MEGAS
TMxtremes
Cornpops
WTFs
Wonder

Bottom line they are freakin awesome looking Hondos!

-Rusty

I totally agree with you and could not have said it any better.
Nathan

Thanks Rusty ,It's just not worth messing with when people get all worried over a simple name, I know what I have no mather what I call them ,But I think I will stay with th TMxtreme and so be it

take care

Terry M
DMV

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don't marry the cow when the milk is free when the milk drys up it's time for a new cow

I'm a huge fan of "WTF's" maybe Terry could have been persuaded to change it to that prior to the recent goings on...

Just as well I also agree with what you're saying. The one thing I can tell is that we have alot more to learn and frankly I don't care what Terry calls them -- so long as he keeps breeding them to shed more light on what's going on!

Chris

I love the WTFs too...maybe I'll get a chance to name my own line one day...

That would be AMAZING!!!

-Rusty

>>I'm sorry that people out there are poking at you for this exciting stuff...I don't see why it is such an issue for some...
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>>You are one of the nicest people in this hobby and it is upsetting to see this kind of thing happen...it is uncalled for in my opinion.
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>>My advice... call them whatever you want...they are yours, period.
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>>Does it really matter to anyone if they are called:
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>>MEGAS
>>TMxtremes
>>Cornpops
>>WTFs
>>Wonder
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>>Bottom line they are freakin awesome looking Hondos!
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>>-Rusty
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Roberts Realm Of Reptile Research
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Thanks,

I opened my mouth and out flowed a melody black.

Let this chump make you feel bad.You and I and everybody had open discussions about it and he never chimed in and now he is all up in your face (and mine for posting below)because he doesn't have any of this line himself or something? everybody on here can see he is jealous and has no real ereason why it shouldn't be called this or that.Don't let them get to you man.You reallyt need to drop the name extreme.
about 4 or 5 years ago we went through this with Mike Falcon and we convinced him to change the name of his line (and thats what it is, its your line now and I don't care if you have only had it ten minutes its your line) from "super hypo" ( cause Steve Osborne was already using it and we didn't want to confuse people) to "Extreme hypo".

It isn't a marketing ploy as he stated at one point it is to seperate the two (rather it proves out to your likeing or not scott) lines because they look so much alike.
I guess we should go tel all the corn snake people that they shouldn't have names on the three or four known hypo lines cause its stupid.Yep, makes since to me.We should just drop all the names huh scott? and when they don't breed true at all we will just say well see, there was this guy a few years ago that got mad cause we tried to have all our ducks in a row and have it al out on the table for everybody to see and we tried to make it real easy but now the whole thing is just a grab bag of hondos and hey, you may get lucky some day just keep playing there buddy or go get with the cornsnake people where they are all lined up best the possibly can be and then I am sure you will see some results.
Yep, you are some piece of .... work,work is what I was going to say yep.

L8r Shannon Brown. wait maybe it shouldn't be shannon brown but thats what people call me and thats what it says on my deli cup???LOL..

its called prozac buddy. Why do you care what he calls them? I guess he should have called you first right? I have something I have been working on for a long time but I just can't think of a name can you help me out bud? I don't want to ruffle your feathers.
First of all, it was really my idea to call them the "mega line" but it was really up tp Terry since he has the most control on the line right now.
It needs to be called something other than extreme so that it isn't confused.My breeding from one of my Mega line animals to a falcon extreme proved that they are different.And let me tel you something else,I only did that breeding to see and for everybody to put to rest that thought that they may be the same yada yada.I could have done better by breeding my ghost that has extreme genes in him to my female extreme rather than making a bunch of normal multi hets.I could have had extremes that are 100% het anery etc....
SO, who the hel are you to come on here after we spent a month talking about it and have a huge problem with it?And Terry being the super gentle nice guy that he is just jumps right up and says "I will drop the name cause I don't want anybody upset?" I call b.s. (I am so freaking mad right now).
Com on man, why didn't you say anything last month? why didn't you come on and say wait guys, lets think this over a little more.Are we,( yes we cause we all are in this together )just going to confuse people more with this name or make them think they get 9 feet long etc....
Nope, never saw you buddy?

so now that Terry has dropped it because of YOU! I will have a ad like this.

for sale :
anery het hypo and possible het amel and its from a line that has no name and you will have to call my and ask me and I will have to explain it to you.oh yeah, and it looks like a extreme but its not? oh yeah and if you breed a couple together you get more but not 100% and so on and so on.

instead of:
anery from Mega line.$200.00

Thanks

Yep, that makes allot of since bro.Thanks for being a jerk.

L8r Shannon

Hi Shannon,

This is not the first time that this issue has been raised. I seem to remember you telling the world that this animal was an Extreme Hybino for some time, however we now know that this is not the case. I also suspected that you were behind these name changes and now we know that is true as well. You can go back and check the posts and you will find that it is no secret that I thought that this animal was a very nice Extreme that is Double Het, which makes him a great animal. Others, have come on the forum and stated that this should be a proven trait before we worry about putting a new name on it, so again this is not news. You have also made remarks about Extremes not tipping, which is also incorrect. I will be very curious to see what hatches out of Terry's Hypo clutches. As I have already told Terry if there is new evidence that proves this out to be a different trait then we will be the first to congratulate him. By the way, are you going to Daytona this year. I know Terry is. Maybe we can all sit down in the lobby at the Hilton and discuss this further. We are all for any new Honduran morphs because they would benefit us more than most people, but time will tell.
This is in no way intended to be a knock on Terry, who we look forward to meeting in Daytona. I hope he hatches out a Neon Green Honduran that goes for $10,000.00 and he can name is stuff what he wants to, but I can also say that we ahve been getting a lot of emails and phone calls from people who don't know what to make of all of this and has caused some confusion for the novice buyers and even some experienced people. Anyway, good luck with your projects.
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Thanks!

Joe Exposito
Thoroughbred Exotics, LLC
www.thoroughbredexotics.com

Hi Joe,
I just got word that this Scott guy is your brother.It looks like he got his self in a little mess and you have to go to bat for him huh?

Anyway,I am a little confused, you said that I have been saying that Terry's animal is more than likely a hybino for a long time? yes, I have said that and I still believe that why? why do you think its not? did something hapen that I don't know about? and why can't your brother (if he knows something that others don't ) just come on like a regular person and say hey, I understand that Terry's animal was proved to only be xyz or whatever. Why the whole naner naner you guys are dumb and blah blah.What is his problem.He did the same thing last year when Terry posted what we thought may be a pearl.
I have said all along that it could be but don't jump the gun on that one cause this weird gene whatever it is shows itself here and there and doesn't mean its a hypo per say.
I have seen it on anerys,normals,snows,hypos,ghost and maybe on a hybino.

I have also said that the Falcon extremes don't tip hardley at all.I have 3 of them and they all three have some tiping but its very little and its the same exact color as the dark bands.
My weird tri-color snake that isn't a hypo has two colors of tiping.Thats all I ever said. and he has allot more of it.

Anyway, No I won't make it this year but I will be there next year for sure.
Joe, even if it isn't to your (or your brothers) likeing what difference does it make if he calls them a mega line.It lets people know what the snake came from and maybe what it has hidden for fun.
If its just another guys extreme line then oh well.Lets just sink everything as we know it.

L8r
Shannon

p.s. so Joe, what do you think my tri-colored animal is? I think it could be a t albino.It isn't hypo thats for sure.Or do you think its just a normal tri-color with purple bands and ruby red eyes?

p.s.s. stop sticking your neck out for your brother.he is a big boy now.Let him answer for his words.I have never ever seen him post anything positive ever.Just slams people thats it.

Shannon I sent you a message because this is getting a bit juvenile on here.
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Thanks!

Joe Exposito
Thoroughbred Exotics, LLC
www.thoroughbredexotics.com

no its not!(stomping my feet) LOL.....

L8r

WELL ,after 38 emails to me , telling me to keep the Mega name ,I am going to do so .....So I retract what I said about changing the name,and the name Mega stays

Terry M
Vietnam....DMV............ 2007 Mega Hypo male

Damn right you should keep the Mega name.

The point of a name is to give provenance to something, after all my last name is Lynch. It tells you nothing about me genetically (I am not that Irish and dont look Irish at all), but it does tell you who I am in relation to other people so there is very little confusion who Vinny Lynch is. Similarly, I call some really great Sinaloans I have Lemke-line sinaloans because they are something special, the same is true for all the locality animals out there. The point of these names is to keep clear not just their genetic abnormalities, but also their lineage. Your Megas clearly have a different look, what ever the genetics of it end up being it is valuable to clearly label them so that when the genetics is proven out (whatever the results are) it is easy to trace them.

Best,
Vinny
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“There is a grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers, having been originally breathed into a few forms or into one; and that whilst this planet has gone on cycling according to the fixed laws of gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been, and are being, evolved.” -C. Darwin, 1859

Natural Selection Reptiles

Vinny ,thank you so much for your input ,you nailed it my friend.Mega is mainly a name I am using to ID any animal that comes from my line .You are right on ,if it proves out or not they are still my mega line .If you were to ask someone where did you get that extreme ,alot would say I think it came from so and so's line .If some aquired one of my animals they will know up front it is from mt mega line ,wether it is a het or what ever
thanks again

Terry M
Vietnam.......DMV

are you going to Daytona ?

No problem, gald to hear you are keeping the name. No, no Daytona this year, again. Have to go see the inlaws instead. Fine people yes, good as snakes though???

Vinny
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“There is a grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers, having been originally breathed into a few forms or into one; and that whilst this planet has gone on cycling according to the fixed laws of gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been, and are being, evolved.” -C. Darwin, 1859

Natural Selection Reptiles

Like I have said before It would be great for hondos if another recessive gene was isolated for future projects. It should be an easy request to show proof of the new genes, I know you have clutches hatching, what was the outcome? What is really funny besides the name calling is the fact that if you looked up the family tree of all the cool stuff out there it was produced by a handful of people leaving the potential for most anyone to have something strange hatch out. I figured a little sarcasm would shake a few nuts out of the tree but the question was still not answered.

Terry,

I humbly apologize to you, if I have caused you any hard feelings. I was and still am happy you produced that amazing clutch last year. It was a good thing for the honduran breed and all that credit goes to you.

Scott Sweeney