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*We Are The 2nd Breeder In The U.S. To Produce Platinum Ball Pythons*

We Had Our Friend Ralph Davis Verify This Clutch For Us.

This clutch was the result of breeding:

1.0 Lesser Platinum X 0.1 Normal (???)

Our expectation for this clutch was to produce 4 Lesser Platinums.

We Produced:

0.3 Platinums
1.3 Lesser Platinums
0.1 Normal (???)

“Must Be A Maryland Thing”
Thanks For Looking,
David & Marci
www.OldWorldPythons.com

Cool.
**I was the 14th person in Canada to produce pastels and the 6th person in Canada to produce super pastels**
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Those other 8 must have been slackers in order for you to jump ahead from 14th all the way up to 6th on the supers!

Nice platties! Sweet color
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Bluegrass Reptiles llc

What happens in Canada should probably stay in Canada

Ahhh! But we export! CITES only take a week to get from up here...
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I actually do like Canada. I have been to Vancouver, B.C., and think it is a beautiful city. I would like to go to Montreal one day too.

Dave

Dave, loads of great places in between too, just steer of Toronto. Not necessary at all on ANY trip to Canada.
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Not to hijack the thread; that platty is awesome, someone needs to dissect the genes and make them available to all, just gorgeous.
Larry; it's true, tons of slackers up here... too busy eating moose meat and re-building their igloos to worry about super pastels I guess...
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Congradulations!

They are beautiful! What a wonderful surprise for you. I can't get over how purple they look, and without any color enhancing lighting. Very nice, and a great picture. Congratulations!! I'd be going insane!

CARL AIKEN-SNAKES

I'll take that NORMAL off your hands since you need room for those amazing babies. Do you know the history on this female? Congrats.

The normal must have been a "het" Lesser

Did Ralph confirm that ?

Dick

The "normal" just carried the hidden gene as there is no "het" lesser.

Sorry ,
I Meant to say Lesser sib.............I know there are no Het Lesser .

Rich

Lesser to Normal? What made that possible? Do you already know, or did Ralph have any input on this Immaculate Conception?

The female must have had the hidden gene.

Shhhh! It's a big secret that the "big names" need to keep that way. You'll never know.......but if you want, you can buy one for $100,000......
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I thought the hidden gene was recessive??? I could be wrong though. But it would seem it would have to be since none platinum's direct offspring displayed the platinum trait. If it was recessive then the sire of this clutch must have the "hidden gene" also?

I originally also thought the Hidden gene that turns a lesser into a Platty would be recessive. But a poster from Taiwan who goes by the handle Hahaman put out the idea years and years ago that the Hidden gene might be the same gene as Lesser, just a different mutation of that gene (like Mojave, Phantom, Vin Russo, and Mocha also appear to be different mutant versions of this gene).

Now with Phantom44's and Butter Platy being produced without inbreeding it sure looks like Hahaman's allele theory is right. The idea is that the original Platty had two mutant versions of the same gene, sort of like a cross line leucistic but on the dark end of the leucistic scale. One version was Lesser and the other "Hidden". All the babies from Platty X normal get one or the other version (on average a 50/50 split). None get both to make Platty and none get neither to be completely normal.

One way to get the two versions back together in the same snake to make another Platty is to breed one of those Hidden mutation animals to a Lesser. Because the Hiddens look normal (or at least very subtle, but normal from everything I've read) it would be hard to know if you had that mutation unless your animal was the normal looking offspring of a Platty. Apparently a couple people have lucked out this year and just happened to breed a lesser to a hidden mutation female.

Larry from MRF as just talking to us about you guys last night, but he didn't mention anything about this!! Congratulations on those beautiful little works of art!!! I'll take that normal off your hands if you'd like
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Cheers!
• Chelsea Lynn Gardiner
(and Frank M. Wood)

I wonder if this Platinum would be compatible with Ralph's Platinums???
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Cheers!
• Chelsea Lynn Gardiner
(and Frank M. Wood)