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Is there an Expert in the house?

ajfreptiles Jul 25, 2008 09:30 PM

This Corn from what I was told is a Ghost. I tried to get some decent pics but they came out somewhat yellowish. The corn has a slight yellow band down the side like some anerys I have seen but I would describe her color as peach....or flesh tone...anyway maybe you experts can tell me what it is for sure. The next one is my male Lavender corn...I do know that one. lol...

Now here is a question that I hope someone can help with. What morphs can be made with a ghost or and also with a Lavender? I know Lavender is recessive but does it make anything cool ? What should I be thinking to make? I have butters, Anerys, Snows, Sunglows, Albinos, Ultramel...Will any of these help me create something else or am I way off in what I am thinking. I think with all the different types of corns out there it becomes a bit overwhelming to just grasp the small stuff...so please try and understand where I am coming from.

Thanks Andy


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Replies (9)

wisema2297 Jul 25, 2008 10:10 PM

I never claim to be an expert but that first one looks like an amber from the pics. That lav also looks hypo to me.

wisema2297 Jul 25, 2008 10:13 PM

combine the lav w/ sunglow or amel. Breed the hatchlings to each other and produce some opals.

ajfreptiles Jul 26, 2008 09:34 AM

What is your name?

Maybe I would have got more comments if I dropped the expert phrase...lol...but to me anyone who knows what to breed to make something different is an expert in my book...lol..

Thank you for your willingness to share. Someone else had said the Lav. looked hypo as well...maybe it will be a neat experiment to find out. I am really a boa guy, but the color mutations of other species of snakes have me wanting to try and produce them.

Thanks Andy
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draybar Jul 26, 2008 11:45 AM

>>This Corn from what I was told is a Ghost. I tried to get some decent pics but they came out somewhat yellowish. The corn has a slight yellow band down the side like some anerys I have seen but I would describe her color as peach....or flesh tone...anyway maybe you experts can tell me what it is for sure. The next one is my male Lavender corn...I do know that one. lol...
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>>Now here is a question that I hope someone can help with. What morphs can be made with a ghost or and also with a Lavender? I know Lavender is recessive but does it make anything cool ? What should I be thinking to make? I have butters, Anerys, Snows, Sunglows, Albinos, Ultramel...Will any of these help me create something else or am I way off in what I am thinking. I think with all the different types of corns out there it becomes a bit overwhelming to just grasp the small stuff...so please try and understand where I am coming from.
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>>Thanks Andy

I'm definitely no expert either but that first one is a ghost.
There is yellow saturation throughout the whole picture so it's not a true representation of the yellow on the snake. Look at the hand.
I would say ghost (a ghost is anery and and hypo)
Now if you bred the ghost to the lavender (no known hets) you would get normals het anery het hypo het lavender.

"albinos" and sunglows are the same thing...amelanistic. The only difference is sunglows are selectively bred amels resulting in brighter colors and a complete to almost complete removal of white.
butters are caramel and amel
snows are anery and amel
unless you know if any of these snakes have hidden hets then the only way you will see any results in the F1 offspring is if they share a common trait.
If you bred the lavender to the ghost there are no common traits so the offspring would be normal het anery het hypo het lavender as stated above.
now if you were to breed the amels or sunglows to the butters you have amelanism in common so you would get amels het caramel.
if you breed the lavender to anything else you have, you will get normals het lavender and whatever traits the other snake carries.
To the snow they would be normal het anery het amel het lavender
to the butters they would be normal het amel het caramel het lavender

With the snakes you have listed there are some combos that would yeild results other then normals just match up traits...either homo or het...but you have to know if there are any hets
lavender: lavender
"albino": amelanism
sunglow: amelanism
anerys: anerythrism
snows: amelanism and anerythristic
ghosts: anerythristic and hypomelanism
butters: amel and caramel
now the ultramel is a different story
if you breed an ultramel to an amel you could get ultramels and amels but as far as F1 results with the other morphs....sorry not 100% sure on that. I am pretty sure I know but I would prefer to leave the ultramel in the equation to someone with more experience
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ajfreptiles Jul 26, 2008 07:48 PM

Really great info!!

I sure will save this and use it for reference!

Thanks!

Andy
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boxienuts Jul 26, 2008 01:43 PM

here, but let me offer this suggestion; maybe you should first think about what are your goals with a breeding project, what do you want to produce, or what do you want to experiment with and discover what the combo looks like? Then do your homework and figure out how to do that, the figuring out and experimenting is at least if not more than half the fun for most, it may even take a generation or two to get there.
But if you just want to produce visuals first generation with what you have you will have the limitations as sited above by Jimmy.
But the possibilities of what you could produce in 2 or 3 generations are to numberous to site here, and some of them would be currently uncharted territory to my knowledge.
So maybe a core question is do you want to make some normal looking multi hets for longer term experimenting, or do you want to make 1st gen visuals for marketing or self enjoyment? Just my to cents, that might help start the decision making process, certainly not expert advice.
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ajfreptiles Jul 26, 2008 07:55 PM

Thanks Guys...
I got into Corns really so I could make some very cool looking colorful snakes and give them away to young kids! I think they make a great beginer snake as far as temperment and care...so if I can sell them that's fine too...but I think the cool colors are great. I had a clutch of snows and albinos and have 2 more eggs waiting to hatch....I gave away 7 so far and it has been awesome! I have tried to make it fun and start out asking a nominal fee...like $20 then when I get there because I deliver these locally...I show them the corns and tell them they can pick out what they like. So far, I just having fun...but It sure would be nice if I could make some really cool other colors. I need a lavender female...because it seems everyone wants purple snakes! Thanks for the info everyone!

Andy
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jyohe Jul 26, 2008 01:56 PM

first 4 pics don't look to be the same snake as the last three???

last three are lavender...

first one I saw and thought amber,then pics turned into ghost....LOL......

different snake? I read wrong....actually I didn't read it well at all......anyways......last 3 pics are lavender....

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ajfreptiles Jul 26, 2008 07:58 PM

Thanks...for some reason the camera made the color too much yellow...I think the one in my hand shows the color best..

Thanks Andy
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