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Blond Ambition. Sex, Diner, and a movie

Eby Jul 27, 2008 10:13 PM

I really hesitated to go out last night. I was tired and felt like crap, but I had a package that I had to drop off in Lajitas. So out I went.

The conditions were great. Probably upper 80’s as I left my house in Study Butte. Winds from the south. High humidity. No moon. Overcast skies. Ground mostly dried out, but numerous puddles from rain over the last two days. I should have been excited.

My first find didn’t spur any excitement. Perhaps even a little frustration. I’d have to drive slow and dodge these guys all night.

Red Spotted Toad (Bufo punctatus)

My second find was a very welcome, but slightly disconcerting sight. I look forward to these guys every year.
[img]http://www.fototime.com/72436CB4FA4F88A/standard.jpg[/img
]Neonate Mojave Diamondback (Crotalus scutalatus)

Continuing on, my main thought was, “I’ll have to be extra careful about letting the kids outside near sunset. The desert will be swarming with baby rattlers for the next month.” My mind was still not on herping. I just wanted to drop off my package then head home and get some sleep.

Then I happened on a mildly exciting sight.

Western Green Toad (Bufo debilis insidior)

I’d been wondering where these guys were hiding. Not an uncommon sight out here, but I think this was my first one this year. Not the best looking example, but a welcome sight. I was starting to think, “I’d rather be in bed, but at least the night is not a total waste.”

Continuing on, I started recalling my drive down this same road just two nights ago. Now THAT was a night to remember. I still can’t get over finding a second blond Suboc in one year. I drove this road dozens of times last year alone in search of blondes. Out of all those prior nights, I’d only seen one blond, and it was DOR. Now I’d seen two in just one year!

Approaching the spot where I’d seen that most recent blond, I started paying extra attention. All the sudden, I was thinking, “Damn, I must be hallucinating. That looks like another Suboc in the exact spot where I saw the blond!” Sure enough, it was a Suboc. Not a blond though. This one was a normal phase four foot female. Weird that it would be right in the same spot (OK maybe a few feet away).

I’d normally just take a few photos and watch as she moved off the road. However, a car was approaching, and she was in the tread zone. I quickly picked her up and moved her safely off the road as two more vehicles approached. Once she was safe and all the traffic passed, I got my five y/o son, Zack, out of the car (Josh stayed home –too bad for him). He was riveted as I was showing him the snake and snapping a few pics.

As I prepared to start shooting photos, I noticed movement in my peripheral vision. What the heck! NO WAY! The big blonde male from two nights ago was coming out to see me. I approached him slowly so as not to disturb him. He appeared to be stalking something. Slow and frequent tongue flicks, head swaying, moving slowly and deliberately. As I prepared to snap some photos, my son came running up and startled the big guy. He took off like a bolt just as it dawned on me what he was stalking. Before Zack disturbed him, he was on the trail of the female I’d just moved off the road!

Now I’d really gone a made mess of things. First, I moved the female 20 feet off the scent trail the male was following. Second, my son frightened the male and caused him abandon the pursuit. Maybe, the male would resume the pursuit after we left, maybe not. If he did, he’d soon find the end of her trail right in the middle of the road. Great, not only would they not mate, he’ll likely get killed as he hovered around the spot where I picked her up as tried to figure out what happened to her trail.

I saw only one ethical option. I sternly advised my rambunctious son to “sit down and stay still.” I then caught up with the fleeing male and picked him up as calmly as I could. I’d only have one shot at this, and I couldn’t afford to stress him any further. I then slowly approached the female, set the male down beside her, and held my breath.

Trans-Pecos Pair

They seemed to forget all about me and Zack. The male had other things on his mind and the female had to make a decision. The female seemed a little aloof, so the male decided to get her attention.

Surprisingly, biting her didn’t work.

So, he chased her down and bit her again.

She seemed to get the message this time and calmed down a bit.

She finally became receptive.


Ah, sweet snake lovin’


Followed by some wild action.

Slow and steady now.




Resting up for another go around.

Enough photos, I finally figured out how to use the video function on my camera. However, it’s taking FOREVER for the video to upload to YouTube. I’ll have to post the video in a separate thread if I can ever get it loaded.
Sorry for the poor quality pics. I normally just use my flashlight to help frame the shots then aim it away before snapping the pics. In this case (and again later in the night), I kept the edge of the light on the action in hopes of preventing the cycles of total darkness, flash, darkness, light, darkness, flash, etc from stressing and distracting the snakes. The result was that most of the shots were washed out. I tried to tweak them in PS, but I suck at photo editing. Maybe my wife (PS guru) can salvage them.

After witnessing all this excitement, I was no longer tired and eager to go home. Luck was shining on me and I wasn’t about to turn my back. I quickly delivered my package and decided to check out the first few little cuts just west of Lajitas.

Shortly after Lajitas, I saw a small DOR on the road. Something about it seemed odd. I wound up doing a double take, a triple take, shook my head, and looked again.

Blotched Watersnake (Nerodia erythrogaster) ???

What the heck was a Blotched Watersnake doing in the extreme SW corner of Brewster County? I knew they were documented in eastern Brewster, but I never expected them this far west. I’ve since heard from Rick Green that has also seen one in the area and Dixon has a few reports, but to Rick’s knowledge none have been vouchered. The little DOR is now in my freezer awaiting preservation. Perhaps mine will be the first voucher for the area.

Anyone want to help me check out nearby Presidio County for a voucher from that county?

Luck was still smiling. I decided to extend my trip out to the Big Hill. I’m damn glad that I did! Crossing over a bridge near the Big Hill, I noticed what appeared to be a DOR suboc. It looked like Lady Luck finally frowned. Disheartened, I park my car and headed back to the bridge in order to remove the tangled corpse. My disappointment deepened when I realize it was ANOTHER BLOND. Too late I guess. Then I shouted (to who I’ve no idea, my son was sound asleep in the back seat), “WTF, it’s not dead. It’s constricting a mouse!” I practically skipped as I ran back to the car to get my camera. I could not believe my insane luck. Three Subocs, two of them blonde, breeding action, possible range extension, now feeding action.

I had to force myself to calm down and slowly approach the feeding snake without disturbing it. He either didn’t notice me or didn’t care. He was busy.



Look closely at the top photo. That black spot is actually a drain or vent hole in the bridge. The third shot shows a series of those holes across the width of the bridge.

After it stopped constricting and started to feed, I zoomed in for some closer shots. Looking at the view finder, I had yet another major surprise.


The snake was eating a BAT.

Swallowing a bat can’t be comfortable.


After finishing, he headed straight for that little vent hole. It looked like I was about to get my final shots as he disappeared beneath the bridge.


Then I made another surprising observation.

He wasn’t leaving. He was foraging. He crawled halfway in and started probing every nook and cranny in that hole. Unfortunately, he didn’t find any more. However, if you look closely at some of the photos of him swallowing the bat, you’ll notice a bulge. That bat was at least his second for the night.

He emerged from his honey hole, looked around, and headed back in for another look.

I was content to keep watching, but a truck was approaching in the snake’s lane. I made my second rescue of the night.

Then I realized that I was faced with a dilemma. What should I do with this snake? What would you have done?
1. Release it back at the capture sight so it could continue to forage and possibly get run over tonight or on a future night.
2. Release it in its home range beneath the bridge where it could easily find its way back to those little holes full of tasty treats and paved by a trail of death.
3. Release it at another location where it would have to establish a new home range, and face a high mortality risk while trying to get reoriented.
4. Remove it from the wild (in violation of a senseless law that was passed by corrupt tactics) and try to find a breeder with a locality mate.

Now, I was more excited and more determined than ever to keep milking my good fortune. However, it was getting late. I decided to go just a little further. Unfortunately, the far side of the Big Hill turned up nothing other than a couple more night snakes and tons of toads. I was tired and decided to just herp my way home.

Coming back down the hill, I spotted yet another surprise!

Southwestern Black-headed Snake (Tantilla hobartsmithi)
Maybe not exciting for some of you, but this was a sort of a lifer for me. I’ve seen lots of Tantilla in years past, but never paid attention enough attention to ID the subspecies. I was psyched.

I was still a long way from home, so back in the car I went. I almost didn’t stop for this guy but decided to grab a couple of shots.

Continuing from there, I saw another neonate scute, and neonate atrox, two more night snakes, tons of toads, a female earless lizard sleeping on the road, and a DOR Blacktail.

Arriving back in Study Butte, I realized I was too pumped to go home. Why not check out the Christmases? No luck up that way, except for a bunch more toads and this stupid lizard.

Southwestern Earless Lizard (Cophosaurus texanus scitulus)

Sound asleep on the pavement (when will they learn?). I decided to move it to the rockcut on the shoulder. Apparently the safety of the rockcut wasn’t good enough for this guy. He bolted and ran directly under my car. I tried to locate and chase him out, but there was too much low brush to spot him. I’m guessing (but hoping I’m wrong) that he ran right under my tires. DOH!

If you’ve read this far, you probably need to take a potty break now. Thanks for coming along with me on the BEST HERPING ADVENTURE OF MY LIFE –SO FAR.

STAY TUNED FOR THE VIDEO -I'm having trouble with YouTube

Replies (32)

Eby Jul 27, 2008 10:26 PM

I was advised of my error on another forum. Just wish I'd gotten the correction before I repeated the error here.

MaxPeterson Jul 27, 2008 11:35 PM

Just kiddin'. Awesome post! Congrats on your dream night
Nice to be able to "live it" vicariously.
Cheers,
Max
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scottylofland Jul 28, 2008 12:57 AM

Fantastic post. Box and I were coming down the Big Hill one night and there were two subocs on the side of the road, one laying on top of the other. I thought they were breeding, but the one on the bottom was dead. I have also seen a checkered garter eating a dor toad, but that pales in comparison to the bat. Very cool. This is one of the best posts I have seen.

bbox Jul 28, 2008 01:20 PM

Scotty, if you will go back in your vault (steel trap), you will remember seeing subocs eating DOR k-rats both on the river and on 2185.

dustyrhoads Jul 28, 2008 01:03 AM

H O L Y C O W!!!!!

If it had been me in your shoes and I were to have died immediately after seeing those events, I would have died a very happy man.

Do you realize that you have witnessed the first and ONLY documented breeding of wild subocularis? This should be published!

Daryl, you need to send ALL the details in to the Herp Review of SSAR. I'd be glad to help. We'll get this published...this is the FIRST documented wild breeding of the GENUS Bogertophis...not just for subocs.

That's also one of the VERY few witnessed foraging events for subocularis. Alan Tennant published a personal observation of a postprandial field note very similar to yours; he saw a suboc that had just eaten several young, flightless Mexican Free-tailed Bats (Tadarida brasiliensis), but he didn't actually see the feeding event itself, so you should publish that too. Very cool stuff...and the photos tell the story, which is all that you need 'em to do.

Of course, the fact that both of these events involved Blondes would have been enough to have made my heart explode. Maybe it's good I wasn't there. (Yeah...right...)

This HAS to be published!

Dusty Rhoads
Suboc.com

Eby Jul 28, 2008 01:14 AM

Here's the video. My wife, Janet, pieced it together and added some theme music.

In the video, the energetic couple can be seen in their final embrace. The female then breaks off and flees directly between my legs (sorry babe, not my type). The male started to follow then seemed to decide, “Ah what the heck, I had my fun. Hey, I think I smell another babe over that way.” He then turns and heads off into the desert. After he disappears, I return to the scene of the action to find the female resting. After awhile, she heads off to the desert by herself and wonders if her blond hunk will ever call.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhMGV9HNlDc

alternater Jul 28, 2008 01:49 PM

Absolutely amazing! Fantastic documentation. Your a very lucky human. Thanks for sharing your Hall of Fame night with the rest of us. BA

Coach Jul 29, 2008 01:07 PM

Congratulations on your good fortune ! Loved the video. Good choice of music.

MikeRusso Jul 28, 2008 05:14 AM

WOW!! Thank you for sharing your really great photo's and video!!! I cant believe that the breeding pair didn't take off instead of finishing the act in the lights of your camera...
And, the suboc on the bridge has obvously learned that those holes are great hiding spots for bats, which is very interesting... Whats next, observing snakes using simple tools to get lizards out from between 2 rocks..

One question..What is that gold stuff that the frog is sitting on in the first photo?

~ Mike Russo

MaxPeterson Jul 28, 2008 11:14 AM

I did a double take on that, too.
Looks cool.
Max
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MikeRusso Jul 28, 2008 06:02 PM

Ahhh Yes... paint, it seems so obvious now that you told me but i had no idea.. It really adds a very cool effect to the pic and it goes very well with the bland color animal.

~ Mike Russo

brhaco Jul 28, 2008 08:27 AM

Suboc heaven. You might as well give up herping now, Daryl-how are you ever going to top that night!? I am absolutely blown away by those shots-congratulations.
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The Avalanche has already started-it is too late for the pebbles to vote....

lbenton Jul 28, 2008 08:53 AM

I hope you picked up a Lottery Ticket on the way home after all that..

Lance
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bobassetto Jul 28, 2008 10:09 AM

PART OF THE ROW?????.........if not i reckon every dangling penis 'll be bridge hunting in the near future......i watched a grayband stalk and catch a bat on the tall cuts east of town on 90...a looong time ago.....even longer ago than that, i caught a female blairs and a male blairs tail to nose under the railroad overpass west of comstock.....me and george thought it was a 6'er

bobassetto Jul 28, 2008 10:14 AM

yo......daryl like that guy said.....get that in a publication.....then get started on your book....

bbox Jul 28, 2008 01:22 PM

Absolutely incredible. I have never had the pleasure of finding a blonde suboc. As someone said in a previous post, you might as well stop herping because you ain't gonna top that! Congrats and I am quite envious.
Bryan

jpenney Jul 28, 2008 01:45 PM

I'm so dang envious..One of those things you see once in a life-time and you hit it out of the park.
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Snakes of Hudspeth County, Texas

Nathan Wells Jul 28, 2008 09:22 PM

The report and the pictures are great! What an awesome sight to see and I appreciate you sharing with all of us.
Nathan

Shaky Jul 28, 2008 10:24 PM

Sweet, Holy Crap.
I want to curse out loud.
What a night.
What a night.
What a freackin' night.
I wish you'd invited me over.
wow

>>I really hesitated to go out last night. I was tired and felt like crap, but I had a package that I had to drop off in Lajitas. So out I went.
>>
>>The conditions were great. Probably upper 80’s as I left my house in Study Butte. Winds from the south. High humidity. No moon. Overcast skies. Ground mostly dried out, but numerous puddles from rain over the last two days. I should have been excited.
>>
>>My first find didn’t spur any excitement. Perhaps even a little frustration. I’d have to drive slow and dodge these guys all night.
>>
>>Red Spotted Toad (Bufo punctatus)
>>
>>My second find was a very welcome, but slightly disconcerting sight. I look forward to these guys every year.
>>[img]http://www.fototime.com/72436CB4FA4F88A/standard.jpg[/img
>>]Neonate Mojave Diamondback (Crotalus scutalatus)
>>
>>Continuing on, my main thought was, “I’ll have to be extra careful about letting the kids outside near sunset. The desert will be swarming with baby rattlers for the next month.” My mind was still not on herping. I just wanted to drop off my package then head home and get some sleep.
>>
>>Then I happened on a mildly exciting sight.
>>
>>Western Green Toad (Bufo debilis insidior)
>>
>>I’d been wondering where these guys were hiding. Not an uncommon sight out here, but I think this was my first one this year. Not the best looking example, but a welcome sight. I was starting to think, “I’d rather be in bed, but at least the night is not a total waste.”
>>
>>Continuing on, I started recalling my drive down this same road just two nights ago. Now THAT was a night to remember. I still can’t get over finding a second blond Suboc in one year. I drove this road dozens of times last year alone in search of blondes. Out of all those prior nights, I’d only seen one blond, and it was DOR. Now I’d seen two in just one year!
>>
>>Approaching the spot where I’d seen that most recent blond, I started paying extra attention. All the sudden, I was thinking, “Damn, I must be hallucinating. That looks like another Suboc in the exact spot where I saw the blond!” Sure enough, it was a Suboc. Not a blond though. This one was a normal phase four foot female. Weird that it would be right in the same spot (OK maybe a few feet away).
>>
>>I’d normally just take a few photos and watch as she moved off the road. However, a car was approaching, and she was in the tread zone. I quickly picked her up and moved her safely off the road as two more vehicles approached. Once she was safe and all the traffic passed, I got my five y/o son, Zack, out of the car (Josh stayed home –too bad for him). He was riveted as I was showing him the snake and snapping a few pics.
>>
>>As I prepared to start shooting photos, I noticed movement in my peripheral vision. What the heck! NO WAY! The big blonde male from two nights ago was coming out to see me. I approached him slowly so as not to disturb him. He appeared to be stalking something. Slow and frequent tongue flicks, head swaying, moving slowly and deliberately. As I prepared to snap some photos, my son came running up and startled the big guy. He took off like a bolt just as it dawned on me what he was stalking. Before Zack disturbed him, he was on the trail of the female I’d just moved off the road!
>>
>>Now I’d really gone a made mess of things. First, I moved the female 20 feet off the scent trail the male was following. Second, my son frightened the male and caused him abandon the pursuit. Maybe, the male would resume the pursuit after we left, maybe not. If he did, he’d soon find the end of her trail right in the middle of the road. Great, not only would they not mate, he’ll likely get killed as he hovered around the spot where I picked her up as tried to figure out what happened to her trail.
>>
>>I saw only one ethical option. I sternly advised my rambunctious son to “sit down and stay still.” I then caught up with the fleeing male and picked him up as calmly as I could. I’d only have one shot at this, and I couldn’t afford to stress him any further. I then slowly approached the female, set the male down beside her, and held my breath.
>>
>>Trans-Pecos Pair
>>
>>They seemed to forget all about me and Zack. The male had other things on his mind and the female had to make a decision. The female seemed a little aloof, so the male decided to get her attention.
>>
>>
>>Surprisingly, biting her didn’t work.
>>
>>
>>So, he chased her down and bit her again.
>>
>>
>>She seemed to get the message this time and calmed down a bit.
>>
>>
>>
>>She finally became receptive.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Ah, sweet snake lovin’
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Followed by some wild action.
>>
>>
>>
>>Slow and steady now.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Resting up for another go around.
>>
>>
>>Enough photos, I finally figured out how to use the video function on my camera. However, it’s taking FOREVER for the video to upload to YouTube. I’ll have to post the video in a separate thread if I can ever get it loaded.
>>Sorry for the poor quality pics. I normally just use my flashlight to help frame the shots then aim it away before snapping the pics. In this case (and again later in the night), I kept the edge of the light on the action in hopes of preventing the cycles of total darkness, flash, darkness, light, darkness, flash, etc from stressing and distracting the snakes. The result was that most of the shots were washed out. I tried to tweak them in PS, but I suck at photo editing. Maybe my wife (PS guru) can salvage them.
>>
>>After witnessing all this excitement, I was no longer tired and eager to go home. Luck was shining on me and I wasn’t about to turn my back. I quickly delivered my package and decided to check out the first few little cuts just west of Lajitas.
>>
>>Shortly after Lajitas, I saw a small DOR on the road. Something about it seemed odd. I wound up doing a double take, a triple take, shook my head, and looked again.
>>
>>Blotched Watersnake (Nerodia erythrogaster) ???
>>
>>What the heck was a Blotched Watersnake doing in the extreme SW corner of Brewster County? I knew they were documented in eastern Brewster, but I never expected them this far west. I’ve since heard from Rick Green that has also seen one in the area and Dixon has a few reports, but to Rick’s knowledge none have been vouchered. The little DOR is now in my freezer awaiting preservation. Perhaps mine will be the first voucher for the area.
>>
>>Anyone want to help me check out nearby Presidio County for a voucher from that county?
>>
>>Luck was still smiling. I decided to extend my trip out to the Big Hill. I’m damn glad that I did! Crossing over a bridge near the Big Hill, I noticed what appeared to be a DOR suboc. It looked like Lady Luck finally frowned. Disheartened, I park my car and headed back to the bridge in order to remove the tangled corpse. My disappointment deepened when I realize it was ANOTHER BLOND. Too late I guess. Then I shouted (to who I’ve no idea, my son was sound asleep in the back seat), “WTF, it’s not dead. It’s constricting a mouse!” I practically skipped as I ran back to the car to get my camera. I could not believe my insane luck. Three Subocs, two of them blonde, breeding action, possible range extension, now feeding action.
>>
>>I had to force myself to calm down and slowly approach the feeding snake without disturbing it. He either didn’t notice me or didn’t care. He was busy.
>>
>>
>>
>>Look closely at the top photo. That black spot is actually a drain or vent hole in the bridge. The third shot shows a series of those holes across the width of the bridge.
>>
>>After it stopped constricting and started to feed, I zoomed in for some closer shots. Looking at the view finder, I had yet another major surprise.
>>
>>
>>The snake was eating a BAT.
>>
>>Swallowing a bat can’t be comfortable.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>After finishing, he headed straight for that little vent hole. It looked like I was about to get my final shots as he disappeared beneath the bridge.
>>
>>
>>Then I made another surprising observation.
>>
>>
>>
>>He wasn’t leaving. He was foraging. He crawled halfway in and started probing every nook and cranny in that hole. Unfortunately, he didn’t find any more. However, if you look closely at some of the photos of him swallowing the bat, you’ll notice a bulge. That bat was at least his second for the night.
>>
>>He emerged from his honey hole, looked around, and headed back in for another look.
>>
>>
>>
>>I was content to keep watching, but a truck was approaching in the snake’s lane. I made my second rescue of the night.
>>
>>Then I realized that I was faced with a dilemma. What should I do with this snake? What would you have done?
>>1. Release it back at the capture sight so it could continue to forage and possibly get run over tonight or on a future night.
>>2. Release it in its home range beneath the bridge where it could easily find its way back to those little holes full of tasty treats and paved by a trail of death.
>>3. Release it at another location where it would have to establish a new home range, and face a high mortality risk while trying to get reoriented.
>>4. Remove it from the wild (in violation of a senseless law that was passed by corrupt tactics) and try to find a breeder with a locality mate.
>>
>>Now, I was more excited and more determined than ever to keep milking my good fortune. However, it was getting late. I decided to go just a little further. Unfortunately, the far side of the Big Hill turned up nothing other than a couple more night snakes and tons of toads. I was tired and decided to just herp my way home.
>>
>>Coming back down the hill, I spotted yet another surprise!
>>
>>Southwestern Black-headed Snake (Tantilla hobartsmithi)
>>Maybe not exciting for some of you, but this was a sort of a lifer for me. I’ve seen lots of Tantilla in years past, but never paid attention enough attention to ID the subspecies. I was psyched.
>>
>>I was still a long way from home, so back in the car I went. I almost didn’t stop for this guy but decided to grab a couple of shots.
>>
>>
>>Continuing from there, I saw another neonate scute, and neonate atrox, two more night snakes, tons of toads, a female earless lizard sleeping on the road, and a DOR Blacktail.
>>
>>Arriving back in Study Butte, I realized I was too pumped to go home. Why not check out the Christmases? No luck up that way, except for a bunch more toads and this stupid lizard.
>>
>>Southwestern Earless Lizard (Cophosaurus texanus scitulus)
>>
>>Sound asleep on the pavement (when will they learn?). I decided to move it to the rockcut on the shoulder. Apparently the safety of the rockcut wasn’t good enough for this guy. He bolted and ran directly under my car. I tried to locate and chase him out, but there was too much low brush to spot him. I’m guessing (but hoping I’m wrong) that he ran right under my tires. DOH!
>>
>>If you’ve read this far, you probably need to take a potty break now. Thanks for coming along with me on the BEST HERPING ADVENTURE OF MY LIFE –SO FAR.
>>
>>STAY TUNED FOR THE VIDEO -I'm having trouble with YouTube
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Ric Blair Jul 28, 2008 10:27 PM

I received a blond suboc from Kirby Amlee some years ago. He said that he caught it at the Big Hill. Kirby lived in Lajitas at the time. I told Bob Mackin about the snake and he insisted, and outright said that it was impossble and that they were only caught around the Boquillas limestone. I knew that Kirby would not lie about the locality as he had no reason. I wanted the snake no matter where it came from. Your post and pictures just verifies for me that the snake was/could have been caught where Kirby said he found it. Thanks for the great post! Ric Blair

lbenton Jul 29, 2008 07:19 AM

I found one years ago myself. Unfortunatly it was a hatchling full of kinks and it died on me, but I did find it on east slope of the big hill.

One theory I heard was back in the days when everything was listed some individual was in fear of being busted after he had come up with a good number of subocs from all in that area, including the peppers hill to Lajitas stretch. Well one night he went and just turned a bunch of them loose on the big hill and some of them must have ben het for blonde as they have turned up from time to time since then.

Just a wild story I heard that seems to explain a few things.

Lance
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Joe Forks Jul 29, 2008 07:49 AM

That would have had to have happened over 40 years ago, because blonds have been turning up on the big hill for over 30 something years. So I'm not buying that story, they've been there for our whole life times.
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lbenton Jul 29, 2008 08:36 AM

That could be the case too... but no matter why you think they are there, they are definitely there...

Lance
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bobassetto Jul 29, 2008 03:09 PM

that guy....

rak Jul 30, 2008 07:30 AM

This Blond was found By CSmith and I last July.
Image

kcarlson Jul 28, 2008 10:41 PM

Daryl
Right on!!!!!
That's what it's all about.
KC

John Fraser Jul 29, 2008 05:10 PM

Eby,
Excellant post & photos that most herpers never get to view, snakes breeding & feeding in the wild. You have to feel fortunate & blessed to get photos like that. Along with lifelong friend Mike Geiger aka: The "Delaware Kid", we got lucky enough to see a graybanded kingsnake feeding at night on a crevice spiny lizard on a rock cut East of Sanderson a few years ago, Heres that photo I took at the time with my Old Sony Mavica camera, got a better camera now though.....John

Eby Jul 29, 2008 08:51 PM

Looks like my photos and video of two subocs allegedly mating has sparked some debate. Some have offered persuasive comments on why they think both snakes are males engaging in a territorial battle. Others offer persuasive comments on why they think it is a male/female pair mating. I'm just relieved that everyone agrees they are both subocs!

In hopes of settling this debate, I uploaded all 118 photos that I shot of the encounter for review by anyone that is interested in offering their opinions. To save file space, I uploaded them at a low resolution. If anyone want to see a high resolution version of any particular photo or photos, just let me know and get them uploaded.

Here is the link to all the photos.
Suboc Action Photos

Most of the comments suggesting that the snakes were combating males were based on the video shot at the end of the encounter.

Here is the link to the video.
Suboc Action Video

The following points may or may not be relevant, but are worth considering.

    I introduced the two snakes after disturbing and briefly handling both of them.
    Some of the first several photos show the normal sitting on top of the blond. This is a result of my picking the normal up and placing it on or near the blond four times because the normal was fleeing quickly before the blond bit her.
    Once the blond started biting the normal (at least twice, but no more than three times), the normal appeared to calm down and stop trying to flee (until the end).
    I took lots of photos but not at a consistent rate. Whenever they were moving, I was shooting photos as quickly as my camera would reset. When they were relatively still, I would only shoot one or two shots.
    The photos were taken over a period of 28 minutes. The video then runs another two minutes before the normal flees the scene.
    The blond followed the normal for a few seconds after the normal fled. He then turned and slowly crawled away (not sure if he lost interest or if I disturbed him).
    The normal fled for several feet before I determined the blond was not following and the normal was heading for the road.
    When I stepped in front of the normal to prevent it from entering the road, it coiled up and stayed there for several minutes.
    When the normal crawled away, I notice a slight kink in the lower third of its body. I am relatively certain this was the result of the first bite inflicted by the blond (fourth photo).
    The blond seemed determined to keep his vent aligned with the normal's vent.
    I never actually saw a hemipene and none is clearly shown in any of the photos.

I must admit that the idea of the pair being males in combat never entered my mind until it was suggested on this forum. On review, I can definitely understand why some would lean toward male combat. However, I still lean toward them being a mating pair. Prior to this encounter, I'd never witnessed Subocs mating or combating so I'll be happy with either conclusion.

Thanks for your time and any comments or opinions your might offer.

shannon brown Jul 30, 2008 12:37 AM

wow, that was some night man.I would have left seed all over the place finding that stuff.

L8r

antelope Jul 31, 2008 08:03 AM

Fantastic, Daryl! That is what it is all about then, isn't it? I wish there were a way TPWD could see this and understand that this is what it is all about for a large number of us. Again, you hit the jackpot, now find out where the burms are crossing out there, lol!
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Todd Hughes

cflowers Aug 02, 2008 07:50 PM

Shannon thats gross!!! SHAME on you...

archaeo1 Aug 03, 2008 11:20 AM

Eby, that is one awesome night of herping. How the heck do you find TWO blond subocs in one night, both involved in interesting behaviors?? Very cool. Thanks for posting the images and video. --Henry W.

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