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I noticed someone had a corn king mix, Is it possible to cross breed a bullsnake with a kingsnake?

Yes it is.

Here's a wild cross between a Pac gopher and a king:

http://www.californiaherps.com/snakes/images/gopherkingyolobhubbs.jpg
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Thanks funky.

So that gopher/king is a naturally occuring phenotype from two different genotypes.

I am saying this because the use of these terms here is very confusing.

My partner a biologists, says that most here make it way to complicated. Simply put, a phenotype is what your looking at(the animal in your hands). The genotype is all the genes or combinations of genes that animal contains. (All the possibilities that pair could have produced)

In the case of your picture, the phenotype is derived from two different genotypes. Hence a hybrid.

Some here use(think in this way) phenotypic. Using one individual to represent a normal individual from a locality. I forget the word, another type, para, holo, xeno, something Otype. hahahahahahaha I think theres a name for a series from a local thats suppose to represent the "normal" That too has a name.

The problem here is, these typic names get all thrown around and makes it very confusing.

If you have some input on this please help me out. I would love to get this strait. I actually have a paper that explains this, but I lost it somewhere and forgot what it said. hahahahahahahahaha Cheers

>> If you have some input on this please help me out.

From the International code of zoological nomenclature:

type, n.
A term used alone, or forming part of a compound term, to denote a particular kind of specimen or taxon.

allotype
A term, not regulated by the Code, for a designated specimen of opposite sex to the holotype [Recommendation 72A].

cotype
A term not recognized by the Code, formerly used for either
syntype or paratype, but that should not now be used in zoological nomenclature [Recommendation 73E].

genotype
A term not recognized by the Code, formerly used for type species, but that should not now be used in zoological nomenclature [Recommendation 67A].

hapantotype
One or more preparations consisting of directly related individuals representing distinct stages in the life cycle, which together form the name-bearing type in an extant species of protistan [Arts 72.5.4, 73.3]. A hapantotype, while a series of individuals, is a holotype that must not be restricted by lectotype selection; however, if a hapantotype is found to contain individuals of more than one species, components may be excluded until it contains individuals of only one species [Art. 73.3.2].

holotype
The single specimen (except in the case of a hapantotype, q.v.) designated or otherwise fixed as the name-bearing type of a nominal species or subspecies when the nominal taxon is established.

lectotype
A syntype designated as the single name-bearing type specimen subsequent to the establishment of a nominal species or subspecies [Art. 74].

name-bearing type
The type genus, type species, holotype, lectotype, series of syntypes (which together constitute the name-bearing type) or neotype that provides the objective standard of reference whereby the application of the name of a nominal taxon can be determined.

neotype
The single specimen designated as the name-bearing type of a nominal species or subspecies when there is a need to define the nominal taxon objectively and no name-bearing type is believed to be extant. If stability and universality are threatened, because an existing name-bearing type is either taxonomically inadequate or not in accord with the prevailing usage of a name, the Commission may use its plenary power to set aside that type and designate a neotype.

paralectotype
Each specimen of a former syntype series remaining after the designation of a lectotype [Art. 72.1.3, Recommendation 74F].

paratype
Each specimen of a type series other than the holotype [Recommendation 73D].
syntype
Each specimen of a type series (q.v.) from which neither a holotype nor a lectotype has been designated [Arts. 72.1.2, 73.2, 74]. The syntypes collectively constitute the name-bearing type.

topotype, n. (topotypic, a.)
A term, not regulated by the Code, for a specimen originating from the type locality of the species or subspecies to which it is thought to belong, whether or not the specimen is part of the type series.

type fixation
See fixation.

type genus, n.
The nominal genus that is the name-bearing type of a nominal family-group taxon.

type horizon, n.
The geological stratum from which the name-bearing type of a nominal species or subspecies was collected.

type host, n.
The host species with which the name-bearing type of a nominal species or subspecies was associated [Recommendation 76A.1].

type locality, n.
The geographical (and, where relevant, stratigraphical) place of capture, collection, or observation of the name-bearing type of a nominal species or subspecies [Art. 76.1, Recommendation 76A].

type series, n.
The series of specimens, defined in Articles 72.4 and 73.2, on which the original author bases a new nominal species-group taxon. In the absence of a holotype designation, any such specimen is eligible for subsequent designation as the name-bearing type (lectotype); pending lectotype designation, all the specimens of the type series are syntypes and collectively they constitute the name-bearing type. Excluded from the type series are any specimens that the original author expressly excludes or refers to as distinct variants, or doubtfully includes in the taxon.

type species, n.
The nominal species that is the name-bearing type of a nominal genus or subgenus.

type specimen
A term used in previous editions of the Code for a holotype, lectotype or neotype, or for any syntype; also used generally for any specimen of the type series (q.v.).

typification, n.
The fixation of a name-bearing type of a nominal taxon so as to provide an objective standard of reference for the application of the name of a taxon (see Principle of Typification).
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Herp Conservation Unlimited
Mexicana Group Directory
Photography by Joseph E. Forks

Well there u go, that makes it clear as a bell, hahahahahahahaha Splain please hahahahahahahahaha Cheers

>>Well there u go, that makes it clear as a bell, hahahahahahahaha Splain please hahahahahahahahaha Cheers

I didn't say I had a firm grasp on it hahahahaha. A few of those terms are new to me as of today hahaha. Some of it I understand.
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Herp Conservation Unlimited
Mexicana Group Directory
Photography by Joseph E. Forks

It appears in order to change the way they use to name genus/species/subspecies, they had to change the rules that guided them.

Personally I could careless what they call them or how they come about it. I approach taxonomy from a ethlogist point of view. These animals were something, are something for the moment and will be something else in the future. Its what guides this(behavior/enviornment) that is what is important. Not what man calls them at a moment in time. Cheers

Here's the pic that the link by Funky was posted of a Cak King X Pacific Gopher.

Scott D

Hakuna Matata!