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..womas.......cheap snakes.......????.....super woma is a woma x woma?......if it is why are woma so cheap?.......super are cool......yet you don't see them.......not even bragging pics in here,........

just wondering actually........Thanxx......didn't think anything of a woma till I saw the super woma pics (and super lesser x)

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And this is just my opinion....I think they kinda went under the radar for many years, the Super (Aka Pearl) seemed to have major issues when first created, and it seemed like once the super was not viable...many seemed to loose interest in them.

Now that Woma's have been mixed into other morphs...especially the WomaxLesser....which me personally..I think there is more to it than just a WomaxLesser...but I am also a conspiricay nut...lol, but they are starting to get some notice now...I agree I can't imagine why I see Woma Morphs for like $250????...I have been tempted to pick one up just becuase...lol

I think once they start being worked with more, they might actually come up in price....Some visually look simular to Spiders...but without the wobble....AND they have a super!!!!

Whats crazy I see many that are SUPER cheap...but then others that are over the $1000 mark?....I wonder why the extreme price difference..?
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Executive Reptiles
Amanda Kingsbury & David Kendrick
www.executivereptiles.com

This is also just an opinion and going by what I have heard from Kevin himself. He said some womas have the "hidden" gene that unlock when breed into certain traits such as the lesser. Kevin sells his womas for alot of money b/c he says they carry this "hidden" gene. He told me you can buy a normal woma and never produce the crazy lesser womas he has. He did mention that there is a way to tell if the woma has the hidden gene, but of corse the only one who knows how to tell for sure is Kevin
Kim

I hadn't really researched it too much, so thanks for sharing that bit of info...

I figured there was something going on other than JUST a WomaxLesser, to me they really seem to resemble the Platinums...I wonder if in the begining he bred Womas to Lessers and the same hidden gene that makes the lesser into a Platinum is what he is talking about...so basically his womas are Womas with the hidden Platinum gene in them...thats why when one of his Womas is bred to a Lesser...it creats such a crazy looking combo...if you compair the Lesser Woma he has on his website to some of the Platinums Ralph davis produces....they seem pretty simular...

But I have no idea...but very intersting though..
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Executive Reptiles
Amanda Kingsbury & David Kendrick
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No Problem, I also beleive and Kevin can correct me if I am wrong. But I think that the hidden gene also plays a roll in the pearl. I am not 100% sure though, but i do remember hearing that a few years back. I would be curious to see what other people results were breeding woma to woma or woma to lesser.
Kim

pretty bad that Kev won't even tell you (KIM ) what the "tell" is on womas......he's mean......I can see not telling us GUYS ,,,but you are a blonde......come on........

.....ok...so.......basically womas are worth what they sell for....not much ......unless it has a hidden sticker on it that says "special".......

wonder if it's the same special sticker as in the super-stripers???.........LOL............(I know it's not the same....it's a joke).....
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Actually there are quite a few womas for sale that are from a NERD line parent that should carry the gene and are no more expensive than any other womas.

It seems out of all the morphs available though, that one seems to have quite a varied price....most morphs are all usually in the same ball park...

I see Woma Morphs on the classifieds for as cheap as $250 others are in the $400-$600 range... and then some are $1500 like in the case with VPI and Nerd has some Womas for $2500....

I just thought it was wierd to see a morph so varied in price like that...compaired to most other morphs...with other morphs even jobbers are somewhat in the same price range as everyone else...

Might just be me though...seems many people don't really know much about the Woma...
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Executive Reptiles
Amanda Kingsbury & David Kendrick
www.executivereptiles.com

How did Kevin put it on the show last weekend -- "Not all womas are created equal" -- something to the effect that most of the ones selling cheap in the classifieds aren't much more than reduced pattern snakes. Should probably go back and listened to that again I guess before I start quoting from it.
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Tosha
JET Pythons

Yet another interesting piece of info...I must be in the total dark..lol, I guess I have to start listening to reptile radio..

I did come across a website where the person was showing examples of the snake he purchased as a "Woma Morph" but in actuality it was just a reduced banded normal, I thought I could tell the difference visually...but I might be totally off in that assesment..

I would love to learn more if people want to share thier info...and in the mean time I am going to search myself..
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Executive Reptiles
Amanda Kingsbury & David Kendrick
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one way to distinguish a woma from a reduce banded or spider is to look at it's sides. a woma looks almost identical to a spider but without the whites on it's sides. womas also have that gold stripe just like the spiders that run down their backs. Most also have the same color eyes as a spider, some have the eyes of a pastel. banded balls don't have these characteristics.

make your purchases wisely, look and relook before you buy.

Pitoon

yes you can see woma and tell it's woma..they have that "I wanna be a spider someday " look to them.....I gotta check out the eye color though....like I said I saw them but never checked them out really...most of the woma crosses didn't impress me,,,some did....not most....

......guess woma needed talked about....

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now let's talk about why ghost balls went down so much?.or why other morphs vary in price by up to 60% also......really......

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...you go to the classifieds and see ads for 'High Orange' Spiders...

ie: they have no white...

Is this the product of selective breeding?
Someone made a conscious effort to breed out one of the Spider's defining traits?? (white sides...)

Or, in the mad rush to cash in, people have bred any and every male Spider they can get their hands on??

I think we all know which it is...

BB

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...to disagree.
WHY?

On NERD's site, in their new Ball gallery, is a photo of a Spider with no white...

NERD's description of the photo/snake?

'This Spider will develop little- if any- white lateral colouration.'

BB

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Spider hatchlings have little or no white at all on them. As they grow the white starts to develop and creep up on the sides. Just like the Calico, the whites start to kick in as they grow, just like the Lavender Albino the lavender starts to kick in as they grow.

All spiders have whites on their sides, whether it's low white or high white, just like a Pied.

Pitoon

the 'tell' was about WOMAs looking like spider=ish not bandeds.....not about spiders....

and yes every spider has been bred when old enough...to any good looking girl or ugly girl ....

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I know the secret.....

Real good looker there....

I was curious...though..

Do you think by keeping these things a secret that it kinda might deter potential customers? Its kind of like if you don't buy into the high price or pay for the secret your not going to know...You think that might deter people from working with the morph?

For me...the whole reason I got some of the morphs I got was because I saw what they could do....but if I had not known how to make certain morphs...I am not sure if I would have gotten them...

Curious what people think about keeping these secrets.....I am totally cool with it...but I wonder how many would choose not to work with it becuase it was a secret...

In the Case of the woma...I am curious how many people saw the pics of the Lesser Woma and then specifically went out and bought a Lesser and a Woma to try and duplicate what NERD had created....only to find out later that it doesn't work like that...
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Executive Reptiles
Amanda Kingsbury & David Kendrick
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Awesome...how do you know he has the hidden gene? Did you but him as a 'hidden gene' woma? Did you pay about $15,000.00 - $20,000.00 for him? Beautiful woma!!!
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Matt Lerer
Ghi Reptiles

How do I know he has the gene? I dont know!!! How does Kevin @ NERD know he has the ONLY WOMAS that have a "hidden" gene?? He doesn't know...No one knows until you breed it out!!! my guy will breed this winter. He does have some "weird" markings on him that i have not seen on another BP..but who knows really...you just got to breed them out....He was up for sale but i have chosen to keep him and breed him...in fact...he is from NERD stock...so who is to say he does or doesn't have a "hidden" gene....Breeding will tell!!!!

I think the animals that have the hidden gene have a different look to them...so I understand it anyway. I hope it does have it and you do well with it!
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Matt Lerer
Ghi Reptiles

THEY know the hidden gene clue......

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You really think that? OK...so you think he knows the genes of all woma balls???mmmmmmmm allright!!!

it was in reference to your post actually not about "Him"

....it says he has the gene I know the secret....

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...anyways.......I don't know it......

....don't really care that much......I'll listen.....but don't matter......have twice as many snakes right now than I need or have boxes for......
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Here is NERD's picture they have on their site pricing their womas at 2500.00 and here is my woma.....Tell me the "marker" that makes them a 2000 diffrence??!!!!

Picture belongs to NERD!!!

im trying to figure this out!!!

I think if you wanted a 'hidden gene' woma you could get one from him...but for about 20k.
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Matt Lerer
Ghi Reptiles

or does the WomaxLesser with the hidden gene look an awful lot like the Platinums??? When the Platinum was bred...it produced Lesser Platinums..right? but some of the offspring carried the "special gene" to make the platinum...right? So would I be to far off to say that the Womas have that special gene and when bred to a Lesser Platinum you get a Platinum Woma?

I could be WEAAAAY off...but they sure kinda have that same coloration....
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Executive Reptiles
Amanda Kingsbury & David Kendrick
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Actually i believe its the "normals" in the clutches that carry the hidden gene. Not the lessers.

So if a Platinum was bred to a Woma...could the normal looking womas carry that gene? And if one of those "Special Womas" was bred to a lesser...they would creat a Platinum Woma...right?

I don't know...its fun guessing...lol
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Executive Reptiles
Amanda Kingsbury & David Kendrick
www.executivereptiles.com

Are probably laughing thier butts off if they are reading this...lol
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Executive Reptiles
Amanda Kingsbury & David Kendrick
www.executivereptiles.com

if they are actually wasting their time in here reading all this.....they really need to go clean cages more....

...right K and K.......

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prices not current with the on going market. $20k for a snake now a days requires a snake to lay a golden egg or be something extremely new that no one has or thinks they have.

Africa knows this is a big business. They breed over there just like everyone else in the world for............MONEY!!!! They are the first to see such new wild mutations and they keep them for theirselves to breed out and make profit. Once they prove out they sell the first proven hatchling as a new wild caught morph, at a extremely high price. Then slowly releasing a few other into the market to keep the price up. They know once the morph has hit the market, their cash crop will dwindle as fast as you can flush a turd down the toilet.

IT'S ALL A BUSINESS, ONCE YOU CAN UNDERSTAND THIS YOU CAN SLEEP BETTER AT NIGHT!!!!!!!

Pitoon

woma make? Have all the crazy combos that have been Woma crosses actually been with the Special Woma?
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No. It makes the "pearl" which has poor motor skills and trouble eating and eventually fails to thrive. Thus far.

poor motor skills......sounds like it catches a spider gene......only more pronounced.....

......imagine a super spider......never gets to crawl around on it's belly, spends it's whole life upside down , shaking and wiggling it's head around and never can focus on prey, just accidentally gets a mouse at times by bumping into them and grabbing it by mistake.....

that would be awful......LOL

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Woma x Spider breeding.............how can you tell them apart?

Pitoon

you produced a Spider Woma? AKA Mr. Wiggles

Pitoon

NERD has a pic on there new website. It looks like a woma witha little white up the sides. Since they both have a similar pattern its not real obvious at least to me. But based on the pics you could tell them apart. Especially next to a spider or woma.

woma look like woma and spider look like spider?
really...it's that simple....

they look totally different.....

check out the pics online.....

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Anyone have anything new to share on the Lesser Pearl?

I recall seeing updated photos of a sub-yearling, but really nothing since.

The Lesser Pearl isn't featured/shown on NERD'S new, extensive Ball gallery. ??

hmmm...
Kind of makes you think, eh?...

BB
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"Have you hugged your drummer today?" --- Me

does the Regular Woma do anything when crossed with other morphs? Or is all the flash and bang with the special woma? I guess, is it worth it to buy a Woma girl?
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Thats what I thought at first as well, and even after looking on NERD's sight of the LesserxWoma, thier site doesn't mention any special gene, but I am now under the impression to make the LesserxWoma that is pictured on thier site it takes a the special gene.

Below I had asked about a WomaxPinstripe, and NERD responded with a pic of a WomaxPinxPastel....basically a Woma LemonBlast...and honestly it didn't look all that different from a regular LemonBlast...

I don't see a regular woma being all that crazy when combo'd with other morphs...UNLESS it has that special Gene...but I could be totally wrong...

The truth is out there...somewhere...I almost jumped on a few womas...just to try to create the same thing that NERD had created....but after a few posts...and a few e-mails...it seems I would have been going down the wrong path...it pays to do your research...thats all I can say...
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Executive Reptiles
Amanda Kingsbury & David Kendrick
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I was after that cross too until i learned some more. I have not seen a woma cross that was any cooler than either of the original morphs themselves. I think ill hold off unless i can find one from NERD line and from someone i trust to tell me the truth about that.

...it makes people come up with their own conclusions in the absence of more information -- Example: The hidden gene is a known/proven third morph that is being represented as a "hidden gene". That is why the Soul Sucker looks so different -- there are three DIFFERENT genes at work. That is MY conclusion based on the little INFO I have.

The "HALF-secret" projects are, in my opinion, bad for the industry. They ultimately lead to speculation -- until ALL AVAILABLE INFO on a project/breeding is reported...my novice "2 cents".
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Bill Buchman

who's to say that NERD will ever release their recipe's?
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Great post. i think i may hold off as well. There's really no need to ruch and get one when they don't really do much if you can't produce a viable super.
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