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I bought these guys from a person claiming they were wild caught in the NE and SE border of goini country. The person would not divulge any location info as he said he doesn’t give up his hunting spots.

These guys looked pure wild caught when I got them. So they were either very poorly kept or wild animals.

After spending a lot of time looking at these guys I know 1 is a true goini. The other 2 I’m lost. I use to think they could be wild intergrades goini x getula. Now after looking at many many pictures I’m thinking they could be captive (poorly kept) goini x floridana with a goini thrown in to try an validate they were goini.

The goini rolled over coming out of hibernation. The other 2 bred this year but her eggs were infertile.

If my ex girlfriend didn’t destroy all my records 3 years ago. So I have no info about the person I bought them from.

So, what’s your opinions?

I DO NOT want to misrepresent any of my animals!

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B

Maybe eastern king x Floridana?

i don't know. I used to breed these a few years ago but have no clue what yours are really.

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"You do not breed them, they breed themselves. That sorta takes you out of the picture. All you become is a poop scooper and cage cleaner"
Frank Retes

From what I've learned recently about the goini (or what is now starting to be referred to as meansi) range, there's quite a bit of mixed up looking kings in that area. From what I understand the individuals you're not sure of are supposed to be meansi X getula intergrades. That's just one opinion or idea floating around out there, there are many more. From what I've been told, meansi has been proven to be a valid subspecies through DNA analysis.

I can tell you this. Whatever you or the majority of people who reply think, no matter what.... there will people to dispute it. If you think some of the discussions on what a real Brooksi is inspire migraines the "what is a Goini' ones are worse and will eternally go in circles. Seriously, good luck getting to the bottom of this but don't be in a hurry to make up your mind. After you have some opinions take any valid points into consideration and make your best guess. That's about all you can do
Tom Stevens
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TomsSnakes.com

Ain't that the truth! It'll be interesting to see if this thread goes in that direction.

That sounds like a taxonomist's job description! LOL!!
-Phil
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Work is the curse
of the drinking class!

That's what I would guess, without knowing any further locality information.

This is the closest Florida/Eastern intergrade I've seen in the wild to what you have pictured:

Golly Gee. is it just me or is this snake HOT! WOW!

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ÌÏËÙÍ ËÁÂE!
"You do not breed them, they breed themselves. That sorta takes you out of the picture. All you become is a poop scooper and cage cleaner"
Frank Retes

Indeed it is!! I would like some more info on that beast.
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Darwin Rocks!

I know where that snake came from, but I'm sworn to secrecy. I like that pattern. There will be several pictured in my book that were all found in the same area. See, there's still neat stuff to look for in FL.

OK, the getula GOD will reply...and all your questions will be answered in my new book (soon to be released). Here's the answers:

1) You do not know the history of your snakes. They could be wild-caught or they could be captive produced.
2) The light one is a "meansi" morph (or L. g. meansi, the new subspecies. We won't even get into that sticky wicket right now-lol). Meansi are the very light, highly speckled blotched, striped or patternless "goini" from within Liberty and Franklin counties (you'll have to look at my new book for the exact range of the new "subspecies."
3) The other two look like getula/floridana intergrades from northern Florida, similar to what Nick showed with his great photo. They are NOT getula/meansi intergrades (goini). They are what the field guides call Peninsula intergrades (nice looking ones, too).

Hope that helps a little, and just forget what all those other people said, except for bluerosy's comments. He's the coolest guy he knows. lol Also, do not argue with me or my advice. You will only lose...bwahhahaha

true "meansi" would be the entire speckled morph with the brown belly and no pattern at all....the patterning/lines might be a result of gene flow from the mainland species after the sea level dropped joining the original island with the mainland....it should be the "MYERSI" anyways......

Bob, Bob, Bob...you obviously haven't read Krysko's papers. Meansi includes the highly speckled blotched and striped morphs too. I warned you people not to argue with me...tch, tch..lol

Brian Hubbs

1) You do not know the history of your snakes. They could be wild-caught or they could be captive produced.

>> for a GOD that sure is an enlightening answer...WOW

looking foward to the new getula book,,,,,,,,,,thomas davis
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Morphs... just like baseball cards BUT ALIVE, how cool is that???

my website www.barmollysplace.com

Glad you liked that answer. I had to really work on that one...

Could you give a county as you know exactly where they were caught?
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B

OPPSSS! Let me rephrase. Since you know where they were caught. I didn't mean for the last post to sound rude.
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B

I didn't say I knew where the pictured snakes were caught, I said I know where Nick's (foxturtle) snake was caught. However, he swore me to secrecy so I can't tell you anything, except that the locality is roughly in the upper third of the FL peninsula.

Well, it looks like Nick let the cat out of the bag himself and told everyone that the snake in question is from Pinellas county. So, there's your answer.

I grew up in Pinellas Co. Lived there for 22 years and pretty much lived at Clearwater Zoo, Faucey and Robert Sands. Some of my favorite kings come or came from Frontage Rd (FL. Power owned land across from Toy Town AKA the dump) and Honeymoon Island (watch out for the diamond back's). Seminole Lake kings were pretty nice and so were the one's on or near Nine Eagles golf course. I know a few more spots but I'm sworne to never dare speak of them!

For some reason foxturtle's pitures won't open on my laptop or PC. I know he lives or lived by Lindsay Pike, Lynn Krysco, etc. and would say (even though I can not see it) 100% his are true. I know one thing the kings I posted do not resemble any Pinellas Co. I have ever seen or any west central FL king for that matter.

A cool thing to see, would be a Pinellas Co. or any west central chain kings. I believe the lowest part of FL I've seen a chain king come from was the Crystal River power plant area and I have heard of a small colony in Ruskin and the Big Bend Power plant near Apolo Beach but never seen one of those.

I'm 90% sure the one's I am showing are wild caught animals. A feild herper can just tell when a snake was recently caught out of the wild.

OH well, I'll just call them generic FL king intergrades until someone chimes in with some helpful info.
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B

Try here to view the pictures:

http://picasaweb.google.com/mesa.nickhead/PinellasKings

I've seen some kings from Pinellas that pretty closely resembled chain kings. I've also caught a couple up in a Levy County, not far from the Crystal River Power Plant that closely resembled chain kings.

I would expect the kings from Ruskin and around the power plant near Apollo Beach to be straight Florida kings. There should be hi-yellow kings in that area. I know some nice sulfur kings came from Ruskin.

Open mouth, insert foot...hmmmm...lol