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I have been producing these crossbreeds for a couple of years just because I really do like them and also because they do occure naturally now and then. It's a speckled X California cross.

Speckled and Cal king territories overlap, didn't know that!

as far as I am aware, holbrooki and californiae do not have intergrade areas. That's a hybrid we are talking about and, once again, needs to be in the appropriate forum.
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Jerry Kruse

"When the character of a man is not clear to you, look to his friends." -- Japanese Proverb

as far as I am aware, holbrooki and californiae do not have intergrade areas. That's a hybrid we are talking about and, once again, needs to be in the appropriate forum.

If that is true then all the california kings that are being posted here need to be moved to their own forum as well.

The cal kings have their own subforum, ya know.
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ÌÏËÙÍ ËÁÂE!
"You do not breed them, they breed themselves. That sorta takes you out of the picture. All you become is a poop scooper and cage cleaner"
Frank Retes

So Rainer,

tell me where california kings and speckled kings intergrade.....
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Jerry Kruse

"When the character of a man is not clear to you, look to his friends." -- Japanese Proverb

I think Rainer just meant that all Frankensteins need to be in their own forum. Including those God-awful brooksi mutations. Yechhh...

Thank you God. You are always there. Even when i don't need you..

But the point is that there are many forums here and if everytime someone would say "Hey Jerry you should post that algama in the proper forum" we would have nothing to do but read about your new upcoming book. But that would only be in your perfect world, right?
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ÌÏËÙÍ ËÁÂE!
"You do not breed them, they breed themselves. That sorta takes you out of the picture. All you become is a poop scooper and cage cleaner"
Frank Retes

No, late grasshopper, it would mean that we could see more natural morphs instead of man-made freaks...but I realize there is a place for Frankencreations, and that's why I gave them a teeny, weeny chapter in my book. Was that another shameless plug? Oh my...

Rainer? The sarcasm -- I don't get it. Hybridization amongst subspecies and species -- have many of us not expressed our sincere frustrations over this? Is there some unresolved matter we need to discuss further...maybe offline? And a book??? My perfect world??? I'm just not getting you at this point man.
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Jerry Kruse

"When the character of a man is not clear to you, look to his friends." -- Japanese Proverb

I think he was poking fun at ME Jerry. I'll kick him the next time I see him...

Now I'm a bit confused, but that's okay. It's all good Brian -- my only issue is with hybridizations. Other than that, no problemo. And I do agree that a getula (et al, i.e. calligaster/rhombomaculata) book is wayyyy overdue. Godspeed in all your efforts.
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Jerry Kruse

"When the character of a man is not clear to you, look to his friends." -- Japanese Proverb

No need to go absolutely ballistic over this. I was told - actually here in this forum - a long time ago, that Cali's and speckled's ranges meet. I'm a few miles too far off to be able to verify, and I'm sorry too to have posted in the wrong forum - I was not aware of this.

Don't take any of this seriously. These guys are just playing with you. We welcome everyone to our sarcasm fest...Heck, I just popped in for a few laughs myself...

Where did I go "absolutely ballistic"? It was a statement. By the way, I e-mailed you the other day regarding your post in another forum with regard to your unfortunate loss. Did you receive?
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Jerry Kruse

"When the character of a man is not clear to you, look to his friends." -- Japanese Proverb

See how nice Jerry is? He e-mailed you...lol

Jerry
I didn't mean anyone specific when I said "ballistic". I just thought that the response to my post was a bit harsh. I was merely trying to share with you a picture of a snake I find very beatutiful. I didn't know about the special forum for snakes like that.

The thing about different kingsnake subspecies range is something I got here or perhaps at Repticzone, I'm not absolutely sure since it was a long time ago. If I had known that my post should rise eyebrows like it did I never would have posted it.

Yes I got your message on the agalma topic and I thank you for your input. I'm really not sure what to do with them. Lizards are not available around these parts. If I should buy lizards for food I'd soon get bankrupt since small brown anoles cost about $25 each here. I have 6 agalma that have stopped eating with visible symtoms of zonata disease. Only one, my 9 year old male seems unaffected.

regards
/Peter

Wipe them with Bettadine and keep them dry. I believe part of the cause of zonata disease is from being too humid or dirty cages. I did that and my zonata shed repeatedly for about 11 months, feeding along the way and eventually recovered. I think I mentioned that in my book "Mountain Kings." Maybe you need a copy? Maybe not...

I've got your book, actually I've even got a signed copy of it. Nice work, it's my favourite book in my herp book shelf.

About keeping them dry, some people claim the opposite - that it's too dry for them when they break out in zonata disease and that they must be kept in a more humid environment to be able to shed thru it all. How do you respond to that?

Bettadine? What is that, have you got a chemical description of the substance so that I can find it here in Sweden.

All I know is what I did, and that was in the 1980s. Bettadine...google it. I have none right now and don't know the chemical makeup. Maybe someone else might help us.

Hey Brian
I found Bettadine, also called Dettol. It's chemical compound for treating horses hoofes and I managed to find it thru the Swedish Agricultural University.

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Let me know if it works.

What is zonata disease?
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~Maggie~

"Not one shred of evidence supports the notion that life is serious."
1.1 Cal Kings (Spot and Fry)
1.0 Brooksi
0.1 Red Belly Piranha (Fluffy)
1.0 Australian Shepherd (Spooky)
1.0 Springer Spaniel/Beagle mix (Snoopy)
0.1 German Shep mix (Shadow)
0.1 Cat (Echo)

Well, its kinda like anthrax and Brian invented it back in the 70's.He then went out and released infected animals in all the known locales and pretty much all the wild zonata have it.

Of Coarse I am just messing with Hubbs-a-lot here but its a terrible aweful very hurtfull thing.

L8r Chuckwalla

np
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ÌÏËÙÍ ËÁÂE!

"Zonata disease" is a malady that results in dry, wrinkled, cracked skin and sometimes has neurological complications, too. Often, infected snakes die.

-Cole

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~Maggie~

"Not one shred of evidence supports the notion that life is serious."
1.1 Cal Kings (Spot and Fry)
1.0 Brooksi
0.1 Red Belly Piranha (Fluffy)
1.0 Australian Shepherd (Spooky)
1.0 Springer Spaniel/Beagle mix (Snoopy)
0.1 German Shep mix (Shadow)
0.1 Cat (Echo)

They are both L.getula, so the product of this breeding is not a hybrid. So without question, they can be posted here.

ALso, by the letter, this is a KINGSNAKE forum, so any cross between kingsnakes still could be posted here.

On the otherhand, your surely welcome to be exacting as you like.

Maybe someone thinks only kingsnakes that would have bred in nature, to be true and pure, and only those should be posted here.

Consider, most of the fla. king morphs posted here are captive bloodlines and are as much of a cross as the above. Surely all these funny morphs are not natural, are they? So where should they be posted?

Why don't you stick to what you enjoy and let others post what they enjoy. Or do we have to enjoy the same things. I hope not! hehahahahahahaha

Actually...you're right getula apostle. We must all repent and appreciate whatever garbage others wish to view...after all, this is America!

You are a fair and just G-god, no wonder I am an apostle. Cheers

You are too kind, sir. I am not worthy...

Finally some truth spewing from your filthy mouth Brian.
Sorry my spelling is so bad I just graudated High school and have no further education.I am so sorry Brian.

L8r

I was very hurt by that statement. I was so hurt that I tripped over a bottle of Bettadine and my shoe fell off...

Thats right tuff guy! and don't make me come down there for you to jerky!

L8r

I tink dat ve have been beeten by vun cobrrra because we played de rrrong tune! Just a queeek tip from Uncle Tarbash.....
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Jerry Kruse

"When the character of a man is not clear to you, look to his friends." -- Japanese Proverb

I can't read these comments so good cause I got these new glasses and I CAN'T SEE. I went to see Dr. _________, but he's an *sshole.

Because you forgot to bring ALL your shoes and glasses God da@@it!

Nam Who?!?!
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Jerry Kruse

"When the character of a man is not clear to you, look to his friends." -- Japanese Proverb

Thank you Frank-san, err, Master HA. I believe a kowtow is in order. You mentioned "funny morphs", but I never mentioned anything about morphs. I also didn't mention anything about mixing locales either. What I DID comment on was, once again from weeks ago, the intentional hybridizing of species of kingsnakes that likely do not come anywhere into range naturally with eachother. As far as the nigrita and californiae, I stand corrected. But in this case it's clear.

So I can assume you would support crossing, ohhhh, let's say a prairie kingsnake and an eastern kingsnake Frank? Just as long as they're kingsnakes, right? RIGHT.
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Jerry Kruse

"When the character of a man is not clear to you, look to his friends." -- Japanese Proverb

A speckled king and a cal king are the SAME species, so breeding them is not crossing species. It is crossing completely different locals.

Which leads to many of the morphs, they are commonly created from breeding different locals that would not breed in nature. Or exsist in nature for that matter.

So the extreme morphs and the product of a cal/speck crossing are about the same to me. neither represents anything more then eye candy and creative captive husbandry. I have nothing against eye candy.

In fact, much of whats bred, even that considered local specific, is also eye candy, the reason is, it often does not represent what is actually at the local, but more of a pretty extreme that was wild caught.

About what I support, I let others do what they want and I do what I want. Free country in all(sort of, as least for a short period)

The reality is, I am a field herper, and respect what I see in the field. Its important to note, I do not confuse what I see in the field with what occurs on these forums.

What I do love about morphs and hybrids is, they occupy cages that could have a snake taken from nature, That is, they are completely and utterly captive. They never occurred in nature, you know, like the common pets, dogs, cats, etc.

So are you against dogs and cats too?

Personally, I have local specific, and normal trade types of calkings and a few hybrids, that I did by accident. Is that OK with you. Cheers

So you're saying crossing two different subspecies is the equivalent of crossing two different locales? That came across pretty clear in your last post.

And hell, if you can create a pet that I don't have to walk, but will still fetch a ball and shat in a litter box, then my deposit is in the mail bro. I'm sold on that one.
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Jerry Kruse

"When the character of a man is not clear to you, look to his friends." -- Japanese Proverb

answer a question for f%$*$ sake.Jerry's kid asked you if you would consider breeding a priarie to a eastern king? that was his question.He didn't ask you to go into all that other crap.You should have been a lawyer man.

L8r Shannon

Hey!,...I remember this thread from a few weeks ago......huh?,...you mean it's not the same one??..LOL!

~Doug
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"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!"

Where do they occur in nature??
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Diego

He SAID they were crossbreeds, not intergrades. Those are Frankensteins. Arrggghhhh!

Yes, but he also said this, which is news to me:

"I have been producing these crossbreeds for a couple of years just because I really do like them and also because they do occure naturally now and then. "
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Diego

No they don't.

Wow...completely missed the point. Yet again.
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Diego

I didn't miss your point. I was just making your point again. I'm sorry I didn't completely understand your first quote, but I GOT IT the second time. Really, I did...

Brian, Did you see my post below with pic asking you what you thought?

L8r

Shan, you need to post a pic of that nippletomato I sent you. I think Hubbsy might find interest in this you silly a$$.....
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Jerry Kruse

"When the character of a man is not clear to you, look to his friends." -- Japanese Proverb

Can you post more pics. I think they are beautiful.
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ÌÏËÙÍ ËÁÂE!
"You do not breed them, they breed themselves. That sorta takes you out of the picture. All you become is a poop scooper and cage cleaner"
Frank Retes

Bluerosy
Sure, here's another pic

WOW! I didn't think that they would come out that hot looking.

Thanks!
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ÌÏËÙÍ ËÁÂE!
"You do not breed them, they breed themselves. That sorta takes you out of the picture. All you become is a poop scooper and cage cleaner"
Frank Retes

Those are gorgeous!
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I decided my old sig was too big.

I really regret having posted my crossbreed pic here since the outcome were much more hostile and aggressive than I could imagine it would be. I think I'll stick to the Mtn King forum where people seem less hostile.

/Peter