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This is my first clutch of hypos so forgive my ignorance. I know there are many different phases and most are compatible but am not exactly sure what I'm looking at here. Below are 4 animals from my 6 egg clutch of my orange ghost male, to a het butterscotch female I got in trade. I thought something looked odd in the egg but waited till after they shed to see what they looked like. Is this just a few different phases/lines of hypo showing up in one clutch?

On Aspen -

On Black -

Appreciate any input. Thanks.

Chris

That looks like an Axanthic to me, I think you produced a true Ghost. I guess you'll have to wait and see after a few sheds to see but I'm sending out my congrats now!
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>>That looks like an Axanthic to me, I think you produced a true Ghost. I guess you'll have to wait and see after a few sheds to see but I'm sending out my congrats now!
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That's certainly what it looks like!..wow,someone needs nominated for the luckiest sob award for 08' lol

Looks like you have some linebreeding to do..but congrats on a crazy clutch!
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I'd have to agree, it does look axanthic, and the one ghost looks alot more extreme than the other ghost.. I think once they get some size the pics by then will speak for themselves.. If the axanthic still looks axanthic at 6 months of age ( I have hatched babies that appear to be axanthic just from het Albinos and after 2 sheds they are just light, slightly faded normals) and the one ghost still looks like a true ghost by then , it's safe to say at that point you can round up your friends and celebrate as by then what you see is what you have! Good luck and please keep us posted as they mature, Anthony McCain..

I think that the dark normal is an axanthic and the wierd looking ghost that doesn't look as peachy, is a true ghost, or at least it looks that way to me. What did you breed to her? Let us know what they look like after they shed.

This clutch was just my orange ghost male bred to a het butterscotch ghost female. Those are post shed pics. I waited till after they shed before I took pics just because I wasn't sure if it was just something that looked off when they were first out of the egg.

Chris

You have 2 hypos and 2 normals. As the base pigment of a ball python is so variable that means that the color of hypos must be variable as the hypo gene is based on the removal of the black pigment. Some balls have a ton of black (more orange colored hypo) while some are much much brown (more yellow colored hypo).

There really are no "phases" it is just marketing to call them orange or butterscotch. When they all first came in from Africa they were just called "ghost" or "hypo" and they were varied in color.

All the breeders started their lines with those African babies: Bell, NERD, BHB, etc. I have bred Bell x BHB, Bell & BHB x African and many other combos over the years and have produced many clutches of great looking hypo babies some orange, yellow, green, etc. And don't forget, the color of the baby out of the egg is not the color they will be as an adult either.

Here are a couple pics for you.

Sorry about the third pic, wrong one loaded, it is a hypo pastel and pied. Evan

"There really are no "phases" it is just marketing to call them orange or butterscotch. When they all first came in from Africa they were just called "ghost" or "hypo" and they were varied in color."

Not entirely true, when my two Ghost lines were named I did it based on their color "specific" to that animal. At the time NO ONE had photos of Ghost and the imported hatchlings had to be raised and bred to prove what they were. My original "the first Butterscotch Ghost" I named based on its color. When placed next to my Yellow Ghost they were considerably different in appearance and color. The Yellow Ghost also had more contrast while the Butterscotch was more subtle "not as dark of a background". The enclosed photo is the first Butterscotch Royal Python Ghost which I purchased as an import back around 1992 or 1993. Marketing was not involved, it was merely new lines established based on color. I was collecting odd looking Royal Pythons and at that time, breeding for profit was not my goal. Hard to believe with such a market as Royal Pythons have become, but true.

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Kyle
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I am more referring to somebody say, like Kevin, with the "orange" ghost. My babies, as you can see in the pictures are born bright orange. My adults are not NERD animals and are in fact Yellow and from people Like Bell and BHB who started with the same imported babies.

From my experience they can vary in color from line to line. Some more or less than others. I am an artist and I guess my perception of color might make me more sensitive to the differences even if they are subtle.
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Kyle
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one orange, one butterscotch ,and 2 normals?

.I get different colored ghosts from mine....they are orange and butterscotch...some are orange or yellow mixed with green...

but mine aren't that different from each other...like one shade difference between them....even in the pure butterscotches...........

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